tomcatct Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I know up here in ct they started using some different chemicals about 10 years back to treat the roads and it's worse for the cars than the salt was. I've seen reports of 5 year old cars with frames that were rotted through that woul've never been that bad after so few years in the past. Whatever they use turns the roads white and it stays white for a long time.I know we all want safe roads but i think the trade off can be very costly on maintenance and replaced vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Steve D "This February may be one that you'll remember for a very long time. A type of month that will make you go back and use as an analog for future winters. " right and he is the one who has been predicting accumulating snow this week as of a day or so ago - there is no indication that February will be anywheres near a blockbuster month for snow........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Steve D "This February may be one that you'll remember for a very long time. A type of month that will make you go back and use as an analog for future winters. " Every month or discrete period of time becomes an analog for the future. Snow or temps are not the primary variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwx Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I remember the first time I saw the Thruway Authority using green salt back in 2007. I jokingly asked a colleague at the Authority if the green salt was for St. Patrick's Day and he pointed out that the green tint was from the deicer sprayed onto the salt. The NY Thruway has been using beet juice to supplement salt. One of the stats I heard is that the freezing point of beet juice is -55F This is the company: http://www.roadsolutionsinc.com/ and : http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/23635/just-add-beet-juice-for-ice-free-highways it's not the red beet juice you're probably thinking off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 ..rich hoffman(news12 LI)..'cold to last 3-4 days' next week.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I' ve been plowing snow for 25 years. Except for the liquid de icing additives where they are used, some locations dont even use it. Its still Just plain old rock salt. Nothing has really changed except for newer equipment and trucks. Us operators are just a little more comfy then we were 20 years ago. The actual process of snow removal has not changed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwx Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I' ve been plowing snow for 25 years. Except for the liquid de icing additives where they are used, some locations dont even use it. Its still Just plain old rock salt. Nothing has really changed except for newer equipment and trucks. Us operators are just a little more comfy then we were 20 years ago. The actual process of snow removal has not changed.. I saw an interview with the CEO of Road Solutions Inc. He claimed they have had a hard time selling to private contractors who plow / salt business lots because most contractors are paid by the ton of salt used, or some metric like that. By using an additive like beet juice, would decrease the amount of salt used and lower the value of the contract. I don't know if that's true or not or the truth lies in the middle somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I saw an interview with the CEO of Road Solutions Inc. He claimed they have had a hard time selling to private contractors who plow / salt business lots because most contractors are paid by the ton of salt used, or some metric like that. By using an additive like beet juice, would decrease the amount of salt used and lower the value of the contract. I don't know if that's true or not or the truth lies in the middle somewhere. Probably very true. And you also need to have the spray equipment. Another costly investment. The only places that I know of where beet juice is used is on your major highways and interstates. And even at that, its pre applied before a storm to prevent the highways from icing. Rock salt still gets used after the juice. The liquid that is sprayed into the salt hoppers is a liquid calcium and that also helps prevent the salt from freezing solid in the hopper. Yes, moist salt will freeze like a rock and it is usually billed by the ton, or application but based on your estimate of how many tons is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 HAHAHA looks like the jB's predictions already in jeopardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The NY Thruway has been using beet juice to supplement salt. One of the stats I heard is that the freezing point of beet juice is -55F This is the company: http://www.roadsolutionsinc.com/ and : http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/23635/just-add-beet-juice-for-ice-free-highways it's not the red beet juice you're probably thinking off... I have no idea what it is, I just know I thought it was cool that it was green. Here is a link to a photo from last week that shows it: http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=TH&Date=20140103&Category=NEWS1301&ArtNo=103009998&Ref=PH&Presentation=desktop#img-39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Probably very true. And you also need to have the spray equipment. Another costly investment. The only places that I know of where beet juice is used is on your major highways and interstates. And even at that, its pre applied before a storm to prevent the highways from icing. Rock salt still gets used after the juice. The liquid that is sprayed into the salt hoppers is a liquid calcium and that also helps prevent the salt from freezing solid in the hopper. Yes, moist salt will freeze like a rock and it is usually billed by the ton, or application but based on your estimate of how many tons is used. Around here many of the highway departments use some sort of liquid deicer which is sprayed onto the rock salt as it comes out of the hopper. You can sometimes see the tanks in the dump bed next to the salt hopper. To your point though, not everyone uses it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Around here many of the highway departments use some sort of liquid deicer which is sprayed onto the rock salt as it comes out of the hopper. You can sometimes see the tanks in the dump bed next to the salt hopper. To your point though, not everyone uses it yet. Yes.. also, at the salt storage buildings, you will see large liquid tanks with a spray boom that a dump truck pulls under after getting loaded with salt that sprays right into the hopper.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I think we all need a pep talk from Coach Rayno http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-video/snow-brutal-cold-from-midwest/2430839568001?channel=top_story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 This has to be the worst weather site on the web http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=8&topicid=70024&Itemid=179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SNfreak21 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 This has to be the worst weather site on the web http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=8&topicid=70024&Itemid=179 LOL I actually was a member there last year, weenie level there is through the roof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 This has to be the worst weather site on the web http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=8&topicid=70024&Itemid=179 JBs twitter feed ranks up there...he's starting to use "feedback problems" to explain how models are backing away from the super severe cold. Should be fun to watch as he continues to get defensive and lash out as his thinking is yet again proven bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRVTS Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 is there more moisture here than expected? Looks almost like backfilling in bergen co area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 JBs twitter feed ranks up there...he's starting to use "feedback problems" to explain how models are backing away from the super severe cold. Should be fun to watch as he continues to get defensive and lash out as his thinking is yet again proven bogus. I agree - his problem is more then 50 % of his posts are politically motivated always critical of the Dems and the global warming crowd - I guess all of his clients are republicans and others don't believe in GW and think like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEXtreme Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 JBs twitter feed ranks up there...he's starting to use "feedback problems" to explain how models are backing away from the super severe cold. Should be fun to watch as he continues to get defensive and lash out as his thinking is yet again proven bogus. Models do have feed back problems ... the GFS alone is notorious for that. Fact is models had warm 2 weeks ago during the upcoming period in which he argued against it... Models have flipped over to his idea ... that's why those that we're calling for end of winter are now all of a sudden saying the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Well, the 0z Euro is on Bastardi's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The problem with what he did was make the hurricane analogy. He picked this pattern out 8 days ago it was a 12z fri GFS run that had this upcoming week a torch , he picked the error out and said I think ths is 10 to 15 days of cold Chicago and Nyc may go below 0 .But he could hav been vague and if it only got cold for 10 days. And Chicago hit 0 and knyc hit 5 that would hav been a good forecast from 10 days away when the models didn't support him. So if its not as cold and you don't like joe you're gona exact you're pound of flesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Here is JB's Saturday summary video for this week from the weatherbell free site. http://www.weatherbell.com/saturday-summary-january-18-2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcad1 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Chan 7 says if we want to see snow we're going to have to go up north into New England.. she says there are chances for snow here but she says it will not accumulate to much if anything......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Chan 7 says if we want to see snow we're going to have to go up north into New England.. she says there are chances for snow here but she says it will not accumulate to much if anything.........She must have viewed the latest EURO TotalSnowFall_240hrs. It is plain zero for southern NJ and maybe an inch in extreme northern NJ and NYC. Nova Scotia rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 JB using the B word again Joe Bastardi @BigJoeBastardi4m http://Weatherbell.com says blizzard to near blizzard conditions similar to Jan 3 for NJ to New england Tuesday. Swath thru midwest tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 JB using the B word again Joe Bastardi @BigJoeBastardi4m http://Weatherbell.com says blizzard to near blizzard conditions similar to Jan 3 for NJ to New england Tuesday. Swath thru midwest tom DT just called him an idiot on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEXtreme Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 DT just called him an idiot on Facebook Shocking... Oh the jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Scary part is jb will likely be right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green tube Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 alan kasper saying "4 to 8 inches. 4 inches is a lock." state-wide in NJ. the guy is usually vague as humanly possible.. so i was surprised to hear him say anything notably bullish. update: now he's saying there may be a bit less north of 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 DT s map 3 to 6 north west of NYC down towards Philly. 4 to 8 for the city coast and Nassau and western half Suffolk county 8 to 12 Eastern Ocean county down thru AC and onto eastern Suffolk county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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