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New here and trying to learn. , I am 70 miles due east of Charlotte(near SC border). My take is that I am close to being out of the game and the more north you go the better. Is that pretty much where we stand? Sorry for the dumb question but like I said I am trying to learn.

 

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 The guidance seems pretty locked on taking the 850 low though central and eastern NC, with the surface passing near or over HAT, maybe coming off around Elizabeth City before retrograding slowly SE as the system stacks.  In NC, we need that 850 track to shift well south over SC, and the surface to come off around Myrtle Beach-Wilmington.  That is a pretty sizable shift at this range, not impossible, just not likely.  Jackpot appears central and southern VA, been that way for a couple days, and to get a sizable shift at day 4-5 that brings it 150-200 miles south is going to be difficult.

 

P-type maps from 6Z GFS aren't encouraging,given that track. You're right ... the only reasonable hope for a lot of folks on the southern fringe (like the Sandhills) to see anything of note is for continued ticks south. As the likely last reasonable shot at snow this year, the next couple of days will be torture for a lot of our folks. It's like being on the NCAA bubble, then watching mid-major upsets take the last remaining slots.

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At 4-5 days out nothing is set in stone.

 

It "seems" from what I've read there should not be much more of a north trend. Blocking is too strong. I think we are looking good if the current depiction holds or if it actually verifies more south. I would venture to say we will have lower snow ratioes with a system currently modeled. The euro last night showing .7 qpf as snow for RDU could potential equate as 5 inches or so. I'll take that and give Virginia their two feet. Now if we can get this thing to drop a little more south of course we get more.

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My recommendation is if you want to see a good snow head to VA for this.

this is all over the place some say head to va to see a good snow but I was reading one met this morning that said it looks like right now the heaviest axis for snow is in nc from what he is looking at.  I guess by tomorrow we'll have a better handle on this.  I was also reading last night or watching a video from a met and he was saying the blocking in the atlantic is to strong for the storm to get any further north.  I guess va could be the furthest it goes the way it sounded from him.

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12z NAM is interesting. I think it's finally realizing that block is there and having a hard time figuring out what to do with our northern energy @60 it's almost hit a brick wall and the southern energy is stronger and there appears to be less separation  It's the NAM so it's probably out to lunch but still interesting to see the difference between it and 6z at the same time frame. 

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you act as if you already know the outcome based on computer models?

 

I have a gut feeling NC will be where the axis of heavy snow is, but to tell anyone wanting snow that he/she is out of it is sort of low when you have no idea what will happen

 

Here you go.

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12z NAM is interesting. I think it's finally realizing that block is there and having a hard time figuring out what to do with our northern energy @60 it's almost hit a brick wall and the southern energy is stronger and there appears to be less separation  It's the NAM so it's probably out to lunch but still interesting to see the difference between it and 6z at the same time frame. 

 

I agree.  The blocking is showing up much stronger on earlier frames of the NAM than it did on the 06z.  I still wonder about the southern energy and how that plays in.

 

Burger who did you suggest about starting a storm thread ?? Think it's time yet ??

Personally, I don't think we need to start a storm thread in this case until the OBS thread.  It's not like we will be talking about anything else in March Pattern Thread.

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I agree.  The blocking is showing up much stronger on earlier frames of the NAM than it did on the 06z.  I still wonder about the southern energy and how that plays in.

 

Personally, I don't think we need to start a storm thread in this case until the OBS thread.  It's not like we will be talking about anything else in March Pattern Thread.

True...

Point Taken...

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True...

Point Taken...

Also, unless NC or south truly has shot, might want to wait. This still could be vA only north storm. Like was mentioned, I don't trust that 850 track yet...for even staying where it is depicted to be.

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I did. Still sticking with what I said. Things look well. I would not be surprised to see the heavier snow rates shift a little further south by Wednesday. Still think we get at least 6 inches of snow.

I'm with ya, a lot say nc and some say va and some say both.  if the blocking is a little stronger than depicted this will trend south a little more maybe.  some models are starting to show stronger blocking, but I guess we don't want to strong of a block to go to far south, which I think at this point we don't have to worry about that far south this close to the event.

 

 

Edit.  hoping for a little more digging so this would dig around and cross sc to columbia sc to the coast.  this would include a lot of us in the game.

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It really sucks that the wave entering this week is so far north. The one coming later next week enters in southern California/baja. We will see if we have enough blocking and cold air. This week we do. The one thing I take away from this winter is horrible timing.

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It really sucks that the wave entering this week is so far north. The one coming later next week enters in southern California/baja. We will see if we have enough blocking and cold air. This week we do. The one thing I take away from this winter is horrible timing.

Never say never....

 

http://www.glenallenweather.com/links/snowmaps/1983/SE%20snowstorm%20mar24-25,%201983.pdf

 

Was the second time in my life I had seen lightning and thunder in a snowstorm, first was March 1980.

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Never say never....

http://www.glenallenweather.com/links/snowmaps/1983/SE%20snowstorm%20mar24-25,%201983.pdf

Was the second time in my life I had seen lightning and thunder in a snowstorm, first was March 1980.

im watching it on the ensembles. It enters at a great latitude for us. We will need the blocking to stay in place another week. Hopefully it will work out. Its really far out tho.
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