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So, the GFS and the Euro tonight are now showing a doozy of a storm QPF-wise.  We may have flooding rains and then a massive winter storm back-to-back.  That ought to be interesting (if it happens).

 

Something very similar happened earlier this winter...forgot which storm...it was the one with the incredible rates that produced 1-3 here after inches of rain. Snow stuck to grass good but will not accumulate on moving water(runoff) or puddles. 

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Something very similar happened earlier this winter...forgot which storm...it was the one with the incredible rates that produced 1-3 here after inches of rain. Snow stuck to grass good but will not accumulate on moving water(runoff) or puddles. 

 

Now that I think about it, the March 2009 storm was quite similar with a lot of rain preceding it, too.

 

Another positive we have to work with is that soil temperatures should actually be pretty freaking solid given the time of year.  Normally, this time of year you kind of have to battle that (though if we get the heavy snow the GFS/Euro are showing now, it won't matter much), but it's going to be cold in the run-up to this potential storm.  Soil temps might be near 40 at the onset, which should be fine.

 

These soil temps are pretty remarkable considering the time of year.

 

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The way this thing just stalls is phenomenal.  This isn't your typical NC 3-6 hours of heavy snow quick-hitter.  This thing is a long-running heavy snow event.  Huge potential with the Euro's scenario.  I don't know the last time we've had a system just stall off the NC coast and dump, dump, and dump some more like that.

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As much as I don't like you I agree. How things get better from showing a foot 5 days out is beyond me...things change and usually trend north. I could really only see things get worse if they were to change. 

 

I highly doubt it would go any further north. Euro is picking up on the blocking...GFS has a somewhat similar solution as well as the CMC. The true test will be tomorrow night and Sunday at 12z. If they say game on this sucker probably is not trending north at all except for the precip shield. In fact I would be willing to wager we see a slight jog south. 

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From WxSouth on Facebook, about 15 mins ago:

 

European Run tonight smashes Virginia with extreme snowfall rates, and northern and eastern NC as well. It literally bombs the storm out so rapidly and stalls the surface low in eastern NC that a blizzard develops with howling winds and furious snowrates and thundersnow from Greensboro to Richmond and much of the Old Dominion and northern, eastern Tarheel state. It takes a different, rather bizarre path to get to this point, but it remains consistent on hammering much of NC, VA and Delaware, eastern West Virginia. Big snow winners would be eastern half of VA straight to the coast, and north central NC to northern Outer Banks.Starts as rain east of Roanoke, but all areas would change over if this is right. Looks like a foot of snow easily, so this model and GFS model are being consistent, but have slightly different paths, so GFS is further south, ECMWF further north. The trend here is that if you live in NC/VA/DE/MD region the hunt is on for a major mid week storm, possibly reaching major top 5 storm levels in some areas.

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I highly doubt it would go any further north. Euro is picking up on the blocking...GFS has a somewhat similar solution as well as the CMC. The true test will be tomorrow night and Sunday at 12z. If they say game on this sucker probably is not trending north at all except for the precip shield. In fact I would be willing to wager we see a slight jog south. 

850'S -5 in March?,This isnt winter no more,its not as great as you make it sound

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As much as I don't like you I agree. How things get better from showing a foot 5 days out is beyond me...things change and usually trend north. I can really only see things getting worse if they were to change.

Ha man you hurt my feelings with that comment. That was almost a personal attack. But anyway ive been around longer than you and remember everything looking great 24 hours to seeing nothing verifying. So yea he can get worse. This is the SE not NE so it is hard to get big snows here.

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From WxSouth on Facebook, about 15 mins ago:

 

European Run tonight smashes Virginia with extreme snowfall rates, and northern and eastern NC as well. It literally bombs the storm out so rapidly and stalls the surface low in eastern NC that a blizzard develops with howling winds and furious snowrates and thundersnow from Greensboro to Richmond and much of the Old Dominion and northern, eastern Tarheel state. It takes a different, rather bizarre path to get to this point, but it remains consistent on hammering much of NC, VA and Delaware, eastern West Virginia. Big snow winners would be eastern half of VA straight to the coast, and north central NC to northern Outer Banks.Starts as rain east of Roanoke, but all areas would change over if this is right. Looks like a foot of snow easily, so this model and GFS model are being consistent, but have slightly different paths, so GFS is further south, ECMWF further north. The trend here is that if you live in NC/VA/DE/MD region the hunt is on for a major mid week storm, possibly reaching major top 5 storm levels in some areas.

Oh Lord, it's a Carolina/Virginia Blizzard! I got time for dat!

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WxSouth blend Euro with GFS and CLT would do well. Euro is a strange run tonight, but ends up with same result. its evolution doesn't look like anything I've ever witnessed on upper low formation. GFS makes more sense in its detached 3 contour bowling ball, and fits the bill of so many upper low, but hard to go against Euro on big East coast events like where blocking is involved. I don't think no model has it right just yet, we'll know tomorrow on when the ULL in the dakotas begins to dive. The earlier it does, the less likely EURO stall and phase occurs. But Euro could be right in its evolution, just never seen that before. Either way, NC gets hit hard, but not so much CLT region on ECMWF. You'd need it to go slightly more diggy, then slow down. If GFS is right, you'll do extremely well Wednesday under the def. band, with thundersnow . Too early to say for sure.

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WxSouth blend Euro with GFS and CLT would do well. Euro is a strange run tonight, but ends up with same result. its evolution doesn't look like anything I've ever witnessed on upper low formation. GFS makes more sense in its detached 3 contour bowling ball, and fits the bill of so many upper low, but hard to go against Euro on big East coast events like where blocking is involved. I don't think no model has it right just yet, we'll know tomorrow on when the ULL in the dakotas begins to dive. The earlier it does, the less likely EURO stall and phase occurs. But Euro could be right in its evolution, just never seen that before. Either way, NC gets hit hard, but not so much CLT region on ECMWF. You'd need it to go slightly more diggy, then slow down. If GFS is right, you'll do extremely well Wednesday under the def. band, with thundersnow . Too early to say for sure.

Never happen with the surface temps

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No one outside the mountains will see anything

 

Edit:but rain

 

You must be new to this game....... the surface temp doesn't mean jack with strong ull's. If they take the right track, an area can go fom 50 degrees to right at freezing in less than one hour. I have seen it happen too many times. Sit back, relax, and concentrate on the track..

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You must be new to this game....... the surface temp doesn't mean jack with strong ull's. If they take the right track, an area can go fom 50 degrees to right at freezing in less than one hour. I have seen it happen too many times. Sit back, relax, and concentrate on the track..

No,not new here.Besides the mountains on the 0Z Euro your surface temps are 40-45,dp's are 40 and you have se winds,anything else?You expect snow inland?

 

Edit:let me correct myself,this is when precip is falling

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