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March Pattern and Discussion


Bevo

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A lot of HYPE about next week. Seems clear a storm, of some type, will affect the Lower and POSSIBLY, central Mid Atlantic States - I would caution folks from the Northern 1/3 of VA and North, that this may be nothing! South of that, there ***MAY** be some snow and where, when, who, and how much is just speculation based on models and some on the pattern which is favorable for a storm. Nothing is clear and no one should stick their necks out on this one. Probabilities - Storm? 60% chance |Wintry Weather? NC/VA/TN Mountains 50% chance |NC and VA Piedmont - 35% chance|Northern VA - 20% of some snow/rain as amounts would be low|Major/Historic system? NC - 15% |VA - 10%| ---- Will wait and see how things pan out - Will be doing a possibilities table soon on midatlanticweather.com for events!
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Several observations.  I've seen better than 8 inches of snow in late March from ULL's in recent years, so as long as they cross to my south I don't worry about the hot ground, or the snow melting as it falls, for it can still pile up.  And I know my last chance to see flakes iis always Masters weekend, no matter what any say... But.... I'm keenly aware of how hard it is to get moisture into Ga. even with this winters rain bounty, so I'd be concerned about getting ample moisture, if we don't get a phase with gulf energy.  And, two, the cold seems to pull out very quick, so once again we are looking at warm ground, snow melting as it falls, and no re enforcing shot to keep it around...i.e.  a few hours of slush.

  Unlike you I've seen snow and sleet this winter..for a few minutes... I was hoping for something more :)   So...if you please, and if you have influence, which I believe you do, let's get the ULL to drop down around further south and west, and phase with the gulf low  that needs to be there in a few days, lol, and stop all this maybe...almost.... and just do it, this time :)   T

I'm with GAWX on this one, we will be extremely lucky to see an inch or two from what I can see, of course the Carolinas or VA or TN will probably see much more. This really has to phase and close off much farther west, but not too far north or it is all rain- not holding my breath. It seems to be a much more delicate situation necessary for us to get heavy snow than for every state surrounding us except FL.

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Several observations.  I've seen better than 8 inches of snow in late March from ULL's in recent years, so as long as they cross to my south I don't worry about the hot ground, or the snow melting as it falls, for it can still pile up.  And I know my last chance to see flakes iis always Masters weekend, no matter what any say... But.... I'm keenly aware of how hard it is to get moisture into Ga. even with this winters rain bounty, so I'd be concerned about getting ample moisture, if we don't get a phase with gulf energy.  And, two, the cold seems to pull out very quick, so once again we are looking at warm ground, snow melting as it falls, and no re enforcing shot to keep it around...i.e.  a few hours of slush.

  Unlike you I've seen snow and sleet this winter..for a few minutes... I was hoping for something more :)   So...if you please, and if you have influence, which I believe you do, let's get the ULL to drop down around further south and west, and phase with the gulf low  that needs to be there in a few days, lol, and stop all this maybe...almost.... and just do it, this time :)   T

 

 

 I assume you're referring to 3/24/1983. I know you know the difference, but to clarify for the readers who don't know: that upper low had an attendant classic Miller A surface low and allowed just about all of the precip. to fall as snow and it also was a very moist system. This setup is totally different as it stands currently. Assuming the surface low never gets close to a Miller A track from the GOM, the upper limits would be nothing like that for 3/24/1983.

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Any precip/850 details would be appreciated.

 

Skip, after taking a closer look it appears just before the bulk of the precip we are probably in the mid 30's. and stay somewhere around there during the bulk of the precip (not bad!) 850's hover between 0 and -5 and then between -4 and -8 during the heart of the storm. So over all this is a great look for us IMO. 

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Skip, after taking a closer look it appears just before the bulk of the precip we are probably in the mid 30's. and stay somewhere around there during the bulk of the precip (not bad!) 850's hover between 0 and -5 and then between -4 and -8 during the heart of the storm. So over all this is a great look for us IMO. 

Thanks for taking a closer look. With 850 like that it should be okay.

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Thanks -- I'll take it.

 

BTW, DT's spin on this is hilarious -- says the Euro "held course."

 

 

Skip, after taking a closer look it appears just before the bulk of the precip we are probably in the mid 30's. and stay somewhere around there during the bulk of the precip (not bad!) 850's hover between 0 and -5 and then between -4 and -8 during the heart of the storm. So over all this is a great look for us IMO. 

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12z Euro Text shows 0.53 QPF for TYS with surface temps barely above freezing throughout the event, 850s barely above at onset then crash negative.

 

TRI:  .45

CHA:  .69

ATL:  .79

 

Surface warms a bit as you go south.

 

I am surprised by this Stovepipe that the Euro gives KTRI .45.  It sounded rather ho hum until it approached the southeast coast.  It's a LOT to reach for in asking that it begin to bomb over the southeast (Georgia) vs. the coast I would think.

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 I assume you're referring to 3/24/1983. I know you know the difference, but to clarify for the readers who don't know: that upper low had an attendant classic Miller A surface low and allowed just about all of the precip. to fall as snow and it also was a very moist system. This setup is totally different as it stands currently. Assuming the surface low never gets close to a Miller A track from the GOM, the upper limits would be nothing like that for 3/24/1983.

Oh, yeah, I do know... and you and Cheez are right as far as how it stands now....but...since things will change, and can change in any direction, I'd prefer to have a surface low in the gulf show up in a few days, and take all the guess work out of it :)  Drop the ULL out west, and further south, have a nice phase with a mod/weak gulf low, and off we go, lol.

  Me...I'm still curious to see what comes this weekend.  Plenty of time to worry about next week  Sun and Mon..and won't have much of a clear picture until then anyway, lol.  It's interesting to see how the weekend has changed as the time gets nearer.  The only factor that has held for two weeks in the cold shot, though it is less sustained right now.  I still have my .01, but the temps are far warmer when it falls, as of 0z.  The temps fluctuate by 5 or 10 degrees almost from run to run, so what happens next week is any body's guess...and it could run the gamut :)  T

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