Geos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I was over at Hoffmaster State Park two days ago. There was 15-20" of snow piled up on the back side of the dunes. I noticed there was some damage to the railing on the walkway due to the weight of this dense "snow glacier" oozing down the hill. There's still about 10" in my parents yard which is on a wooded NE facing hill. I'm 200 lbs and I can almost put all my weight on it without sinking in more than a couple inches. I wonder how long it's going to take to melt it all. I noticed some things like that here too. Will have to see if I can get some pictures of the snow creeping over sidewalks and paths from the sides. I remember Turtle reporting something like that after the Solstice storm. The very bottom of the snow pack has snow so dense that it's basically ice. It's originated from those Clipper snows some 5 weeks ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Geos- We have snow from a long while back (months?) that is basically glacial at this point. Its not much, but its going to take some good heat/warm rain to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I was over at Hoffmaster State Park two days ago. There was 15-20" of snow piled up on the back side of the dunes. I noticed there was some damage to the railing on the walkway due to the weight of this dense "snow glacier" oozing down the hill. There's still about 10" in my parents yard which is on a wooded NE facing hill. I'm 200 lbs and I can almost put all my weight on it without sinking in more than a couple inches. I wonder how long it's going to take to melt it all. Yup, rock hard glacier in these parts. I hike at Hoffmaster several times a week. If it is the railing I am thinking of, it was actually damaged from a huge tree falling on it during one of our windstorms. How does snowpack here compare to the Grand Rapids area? More here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 As of March 5th, 8.00" of moisture has fallen here. At least 3.5" of that is locked in the snow cover. Pretty chilly in the last 7 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 As of March 5th, 8.00" of moisture has fallen here. At least 3.5" of that is locked in the snow cover. Pretty chilly in the last 7 days. Have you actually done a core sample? 3.5" sounds a bit high (cant just add up the water that fell, ive learned this from core samples over the years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Holy smokes...6z GFS pumps out OVER 1.5 inches of precip (all liquid?) this weekend... o uch... flooding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Mich- Doesn't the NWS measure that in spots? Answered my own question: BELOW IS WISCONSIN SNOW CORE SAMPLE INFORMATION FROM CO-OP WEATHEROBSERVERS. A SNOW CORE SAMPLE IS THE WATER EQUIVALENT OF ALL THESNOW ON THE GROUND. THIS DATA IS REQUESTED ONCE A WEEK...NORMALLYON MONDAY MORNINGS...DECEMBER THROUGH APRIL IF THERE ARE 2 OR MOREINCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND.- TIME/DATE TODAY`S SNOW OF LAST SNOW CORE SNOW CORE RIVER DEPTH ID COUNTY LOCATION (IN.) REPORT BASIN (IN.)DLHM5 NWS-DULUTH,MN 3.0 12 PM 03/04 L SUP 16BYFW3 BAYFIELD BAYFIELD-9 N 3.0 07 AM 03/04 L SUP 10WAS06 ASHLAND ODANAH-2E-COCO 2.0 07 AM 03/05 L SUP 9LOKW3 VILAS LAND O LKS-10W 3.8 07 AM 03/04 WIS. 12EVRW3 VILAS EAGLE R.-4 E. 2.6 06 AM 03/02 WIS. 14LTMW3 ONEIDA L TOMAHK.-2SE 3.3 06 AM 03/04 WIS. 15MLLW3 LINCOLN MERRILL-8 W 2.3 06 AM 03/04 WIS. 10PLOW3 PORTAGE PLOVER-SOUTH 1.4 07 AM 03/04 WIS. 7FRSW3 ADAMS FRIENDSHIP 1.2 07 AM 03/04 WIS. 6PORW3 COLUMBIA PORTAGE-WWTP 0.5 08 AM 03/04 WIS. 3WCB04 COLUMBIA PORTAGE-6 SW 2.7 06 AM 03/04 WIS. 8LGKW3 FLORENCE LONG LAKE-3NE 1.9 05 AM 03/04 MENOM 15AGNW3 FOREST ARGONNE-2 NW 2.6 07 AM 03/04 PESH. 13CNTW3 WAUPACA CLINTONVL-WTP 2.2 07 AM 03/04 WOLF 7AMDW3 WAUPACA ALMOND-5 NE 4.9 08 AM 03/04 WAUP. 17WYGW3 WAUPACA WEYAUWEGA 2.2 06 AM 03/05 WAUP. 10PRVW3 COLUMBIA PARDEEVILLE 1.8 08 AM 03/04 FOX 7OMWW3 WINNEBAGO OMRO-2 SW 2.5 07 AM 03/04 FOX 7WBN10 BROWN GR BAY-5 SW 1.5 07 AM 03/04 FOX 6SYNW3 SHEBOYGAN SHEBOYGAN-SW 3.0 08 AM 03/04 L. MI 15MKE MILWAUKEE MILWAUKEE-ARPT 2.0 12 PM 03/04 L. MI 6WRC03 RACINE RACINE-COCO 2.2 07 AM 03/04 L. MI 10WKN06 KENOSHA KENOSHA-COCO 2.0 07 AM 03/04 L. MI 6WWK12 WAUKESHA WAUKESHA-COCO 1.9 06 AM 03/04 FOX 10BGTW3 RACINE BURLINGTON 1.0 06 AM 03/04 FOX 7MSN DANE MADISON-ARPT 1.7 12 PM 03/04 YAHAR 8FATW3 JEFFERSON FT ATKINSON 1.4 07 AM 03/04 ROCK 7ONCW3 WAUKESHA OCONOM.-SO. 2.5 08 AM 03/04 ROCK 7AFTW3 ROCK AFTON-WWTP 1.2 07 AM 03/04 ROCK 7MRPW3 IOWA MINERAL PT. 1.0 07 AM 03/04 PECAT 9BROW3 GREEN BRODHEAD 1.0 07 AM 03/04 SUGAR 5GORW3 POLK GORDON 1.5 08 AM 03/04 S CRX 12WBR06 BARRON CAMERON-COCO 1.5 07 AM 03/02 R CED 8WBR02 BARRON CHETEK-2SE-COCO 1.8 07 AM 03/05 R CED 10WDN01 DUNN BOYCEVILLE-COCO 2.8 06 AM 03/04 R CED 16CMKW3 BAYFIELD CLAM LAKE-4W 3.2 07 AM 03/04 CHIP. 13BMRW3 CHIPPEWA BLOOMER 1.8 08 AM 03/04 CHIP. 9OWEW3 CLARK OWEN 1.4 08 AM 03/04 BLACK 7NELW3 CLARK NEILLSVILLE 1.8 07 AM 03/04 BLACK 6LSNW3 LA CROSSE LA CROSSE-2SE 1.0 12 PM 03/04 L CRS 6VQAW3 VERNON VIROQUA 2.0 07 AM 03/04 KICK. 10ARX LA CROSSE NWS-LA CROSSE 0.7 12 PM 03/04 MISS. 6TREW3 TREMPEALEAU TREMPEALEAU 0.6 06 AM 03/05 MISS. 5LCFW3 LA CROSSE LA CROSSE 1.0 07 AM 03/04 MISS. 6GENW3 VERNON GENOA DAM 0.6 06 AM 03/04 MISS. 5LYNW3 CRAWFORD LYNXVILLE DAM 1.6 06 AM 03/05 MISS. 8LANW3 GRANT LANCASTER 0.7 08 AM 03/04 GRANT 5BNNW3 LAFAYETTE BENTON 0.5 07 AM 03/04 GALE. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 06z GFS blasts Bo with another 16+ inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Fun to watch the model flips in the long range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah...GFS is warm in the long range now...flip from yesterday's cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Well this is a nice consolation prize, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 61.6" of snow so far this Winter, time for Spring. Polar vortex is breaking down so it's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 61.6" of snow so far this Winter, time for Spring. Polar vortex is breaking down so it's coming. Could be one more wintry system left, then quite possible by the middle of March spring will arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah...GFS is warm in the long range now...flip from yesterday's cold It all hinges on that Colorado low.... The GFS wants to stall out a low to the west and pump want air up. It keeps it there for an obscene amount of time. I don't buy that solution. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Notice how the ensembles are kinda bad forecasting the AO past 7 days? Black line (observed) and blue line (forecasted) tell the story. Yeah...I'd wait on the torch calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Well this is a nice consolation prize, lol... This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Holy smokes...6z GFS pumps out OVER 1.5 inches of precip (all liquid?) this weekend... o uch... flooding? This caught my eye as well. Below I've posted the current snow depth and then the 72hr total precip for Saturday through Tuesday. Certainly seems like there is some flooding potential in areas with a decent snowpack. Temps hitting 45-50F and 1"+ rainfall in some locations. Current snow depth: 72-hr rainfall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 12z lets off the precip a little around here...still looks warm enough for all rain: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 True! Snowcover season is done, snowfall-threat season is far from done. I was actually driving with the window cracked because i was warm in my winter coat, sun feels so warm. Snowbanks leaking/draining in all the parking lots too. Just think, 3.5 more months and the days start getting shorter Snow cover season is not done here. Over a foot and a half still here and in my protected yard, still 2'. It just doesn't ever melt and I'm beyond ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Snow may stick for a few weeks yet..unless we get a week straight with temps in the 50Fs and some sun... Daylight saving time this weekend...woohoo! Kids will be up until midnite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Snow may stick for a few weeks yet..unless we get a week straight with temps in the 50Fs and some sun... Daylight saving time this weekend...woohoo! Kids will be up until midnite Yes this snowpack will have some staying power. Just glad the crazy cold anomalies continue to disapear after they show up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Have you actually done a core sample? 3.5" sounds a bit high (cant just add up the water that fell, ive learned this from core samples over the years). Doh, meant to type 2.5". No I didn't do a core sample, but I had 2.3" last week and now another 0.43" yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 This caught my eye as well. Below I've posted the current snow depth and then the 72hr total precip for Saturday through Tuesday. Certainly seems like there is some flooding potential in areas with a decent snowpack. Temps hitting 45-50F and 1"+ rainfall in some locations. Current snow depth: 72-hr rainfall: This map is so far off in the lower lakes and IN, it isn't even funny! Should be dark red in this county on northwards. About 32-33° right now. Edit: Haha, now it's supposed to be 29° tomorrow! Thaw delayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Lol @12z op Euro day 9 and 10, epic torch. +20-25 at 850 over the southern Plains, gets to +10 to +12 or so here. The 12z gefs teleconnection indices are slower with the breakdown of the strong -AO and west based -NAO (00z ECENS actually strengthens the west based block by 3/16), so until there's better ensemble support for flooding the region with warmth, wouldn't bite onto this yet. Also the CFS weeklies from yesterday are basically cold from the 12th onward. These might be a bit overdone in their cold anomalies, but I'd still be surprised at seeing any exceptional warmth anytime soon. Blocking patterns as strong as the one we're in are typically slower to break down than the models suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I would best against any torches this month. Maybe a mini one towards the very end of the month. Definitely nothing in the next 7 days. EURO MJO ensembles showing the signal dissapearing, so using this teleconnection will probably be useless in predicting the pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Lol @12z op Euro day 9 and 10, epic torch. +20-25 at 850 over the southern Plains, gets to +10 to +12 or so here. The 12z gefs teleconnection indices are slower with the breakdown of the strong -AO and west based -NAO (00z ECENS actually strengthens the west based block by 3/16), so until there's better ensemble support for flooding the region with warmth, wouldn't bite onto this yet. Also the CFS weeklies from yesterday are basically cold from the 12th onward. These might be a bit overdone in their cold anomalies, but I'd still be surprised at seeing any exceptional warmth anytime soon. Blocking patterns as strong as the one we're in are typically slower to break down than the models suggest. Models have neen crazy. Wasnt the 00 euro showing cold lurking at day 10? Give me cold and one more snowstorm then it can be baseball season (not that id turn down an april snow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I've always read to expect model flips especially during season changes. But I am surprised at the down to the wire flips of the NAM and other models with our just completed Midwest snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Flip flopping...if it does come, rivers are going to go sky high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 IWX just issued a hydrologic outlook stating that we could get another 1-2" of precip by Tuesday in addition to snow melt of about an inch liquid equivalent this weekend which would certainly raise flooding concerns. They give a heads up to be concerned with possible watches and warnings that may be posted later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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