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Man blizzard for se KS and western MO. MCI crushed again.

 

I have lots of connections out there and they're just not prepared ("they" being the city) for another storm on the heels of last week's.  My sister said the stores have no shovels and wasn't too happy when I told her that it was epic and that she oughtta enjoy it.

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This is the crap that bothers me:

 

"Bill Boynton, spokesman for the New Hampshire Department of Transportation, estimated that there were more accidents yesterday than during the blizzard three weeks ago, and said that was likely because yesterday’s storm had received less publicity prior to touching down."

 

Here's the screen captures as we drove through it.  That was 2-3" per hour of heavy wet snow that stuck instantly to roads.  We never saw a plow in the northbound lane the entire stretch, nor a sander.  THAT'S why roads were a disaster.  Sure, maybe the DPW was caught off guard, but it was nearly impossible to drive up 93 during this. It was incredibly dangerous I've never seen so many cars off the road, facing the wrong way or stuck trying to get up hills.  The most dangerous aspect was the 18 wheelers (all of which were gas tankers at that time of day) that had no choice but to gun it downhill to get uphill.  They go flying by at 60 when everyone else is struggling to do 20-30.  I understand why, if they get stuck the whole road shuts down but they were forced to do it on totally snow covered roads without a hint of pavement.  I've only had that happen 1 or 2 times in my entire life.

 

The problem that made it worse was the band moved north at the rate the traffic was going...about 20 mph.   

 

I don't blame the drivers to be honest at all.  Not everybody has AWD/4WD and even if they do not everyone has advanced traction control etc.  I felt ours spin 2-3 times but just like they tell you I didn't do anything - IE just let off the gas and didn't change steering and the vehicles systems quickly compensate and control is regained.   Rte 89 was better mostly because it was colder, and also because there were plows working the roads.

The real problem was the temperature not the lack of notice.  At 20F with dry snow it blows off the road.  2-3"  per hour snow at 32F is really greasy and sticks to everything!

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what are some depths in southern me this morning? had to still be plenty of snow left over from the blizzard? well over two feet otg?

 

We had 36" + on the ground after the blizzard but all but about 12" melted away since.  Adding this 10" on it - I'd say we have about 18-24" on the ground where I'm at.  Depending on sun/shade of course.

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what are some depths in southern me this morning? had to still be plenty of snow left over from the blizzard? well over two feet otg?

Cocorahs obs this morning had a lot of depths 18"+, with the highest 21" in Hollis, about 15 miles SSW from PWM. Not all obs included snow depth, however. The blizzard was mostly 20:1 (or higher) fluff, and settled dramatically in the week after the storm, so most locations had a foot OG or less going into the recent event.

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You guys should see it out west where the roads are on actual mountains and they don't use salt.  NH clears the crap out of the roads,  just can't keep up with > 2"/hr.  My weenie walk is to a 93 overpass and I'm consistently amazed to see pavement during heavy snow events.

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You guys should see it out west where the roads are on actual mountains and they don't use salt.  NH clears the crap out of the roads,  just can't keep up with > 2"/hr.  My weenie walk is to a 93 overpass and I'm consistently amazed to see pavement during heavy snow events.

 

I knew there was someone from Bow.  That's pretty much right off 93 at the 89 exit right?  I saw the sign coming south on 89 just before getting back on 93.  It's runny you were on the edge of that better stuff.   The turn off for 89 in the morning was bad, but the worst was from a few miles south to maybe 10 miles south.

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Cocorahs obs this morning had a lot of depths 18"+, with the highest 21" in Hollis, about 15 miles SSW from PWM. Not all obs included snow depth, however. The blizzard was mostly 20:1 (or higher) fluff, and settled dramatically in the week after the storm, so most locations had a foot OG or less going into the recent event.

 

 

I was down to 8" here, With a lot of bare ground because of the strong winds in that storm

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I live on one side of the river, work on the other and have spent the bulk of my life in either/or and I will agree that NH takes much better care of it's roads than does Vermont.  Not just in plowing but also the condition of the pavement/surface in general (potholes, frost heaves, etc.)  Vermont's roads are in deplorable shape right now.

 

 NH is generally smooth as silk. NH roads are wayyy better than VT and VT has much higher taxes and claims to be out of money just as much as NHDOT does if not more.

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I knew there was someone from Bow. That's pretty much right off 93 at the 89 exit right? I saw the sign coming south on 89 just before getting back on 93. It's runny you were on the edge of that better stuff. The turn off for 89 in the morning was bad, but the worst was from a few miles south to maybe 10 miles south.

Yea, starts right after the tolls on 93 and continues up to exit 1 off 89.

Driving around the area yesterday, road conditions were pretty bad in the area from Hooksett up through CON. Although the further south i went toward MHT they improved quite a bit.

Ended up with just over 13" imby.

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I knew there was someone from Bow.  That's pretty much right off 93 at the 89 exit right?  I saw the sign coming south on 89 just before getting back on 93.  It's runny you were on the edge of that better stuff.   The turn off for 89 in the morning was bad, but the worst was from a few miles south to maybe 10 miles south.

Yeah, I'm ~1/2 mile from 89/93 intersection.  

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...HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY...
1 S NEW IPSWICH 7.0 700 AM 2/25 COCORAHS
2 S NEW BOSTON 6.5 715 AM 2/25 COCORAHS
3 W MERRIMACK 5.5 630 AM 2/25 COCORAHS
MANCHESTER 5.0 330 AM 2/25 PUBLIC
NASHUA 4.5 835 AM 2/25 TRAINED SPOTTER
HUDSON 4.1 735 AM 2/25 NWS COOP
3 ENE HOLLIS 3.6 700 AM 2/25 COCORAHS

 

Interesting,  were these low totals used to promote the near- verification of their forecast of 2-6"?

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They did drop some of the higher Mass totals too

Weird

 

 

Yeah they took out the higher totals from Sterling and Westminster and replaced them with lower totals. There is about a 0% chance that Westminster had less than ORH. They got crushed yesterday.

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Yeah they took out the higher totals from Sterling and Westminster and replaced them with lower totals. There is about a 0% chance that Westminster had less than ORH. They got crushed yesterday.

Yeah, driving through there last night and this mrning, they def got the 9-10" that subdude reported here. An WaWa only claimed the 9" I thought... interesting. Thought they would inflate..lol

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Its bizarre, while the lower total is more believable for here, there is quite a range in elevation in sterling from like 380' to 905'.  I had over 8" depth last night at my 670' , so even if you disregard the 6 hour totals, melting/compaction from the night before and during the day, the 6.7" report for my location is definitely not accurate, but for a lower part of town maybe. 

 

Westminster probably wound up with like 11". I doubt any part of wesminster received as little as 7.8". They usually don't throw out the trained spotter from boylston in other storms who reported 10", that seemed a bit high, but if you were measuring by the book every 6 hours and clearing, it could have been.  It does seem odd that the totals are now in line with the 4-8" forecast they had out late in the day.

 

 

Yes, this event had a larger discrepency for 6 hourly totals versus snow depth at the end of the event than is usually seen. The lull of snowfall overnight after the initial 1-2"...then after the late morning/lunchtime burst of heavy snow, another 1-2 hour lull where snow was able to compact...until the final 5-6 hours of steady snow.

 

My depth of "new snow" (which was easy to measure on the ground since the blizzard snow is as hard as a rock now) was about 6.5-7" at the end but I had over 8" total from the event.

 

Not sure why they threw out those other totals. Boylston may have had 10"...though I agree it does seem a bit high...however they got into the meat of that heavy band around lunchtime. But I have no doubt that there were 10" totals near Princeton/Westminster

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The verification scores are better if the totals line up with their forecast #'s.   The 6.5" in New Boston NH  far and away the lowest total that could possibly be found in town last night , and even that seems low from what I saw.   The P/C forecasts were all 2-6" for storm total.

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The verification scores are better if the totals line up with their forecast #'s.   The 6.5" in New Boston NH  far and away the lowest total that could possibly be found in town last night , and even that seems low from what I saw.   The P/C forecasts were all 2-6" for storm total.

I smell something rotten...lol

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