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Feb 24th threat part deux


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I still like my 5-9/6-10 here...BL issues will be minimal in the hills.

 

 

If there is any truth to the idea that half the 18z initialization grid is based upon the 6 hour procession of events from the 12z run, than it makes perfect sense that the 18z run went even farther SE, because it based on the same damn genetics.  Same with the NAM for that matter - 

 

I think if there is to be an adjustment back NW it would not have come until the fresh inputs on the 00z cycle, anyway.  

 

Frankly I wish NCEP wouldn't bother with 18z unless the data is full suite.  

 

People laughed at me and bunned me when I said the 00z had a Norlun aspect to it, now that's what we pining for?   hah!   

 

The other thing that is annoying is when the Diagnostics desk at NCEPs says the initialization errors don't appear to significantly effect blah blah blah.  Give us a f break!  300 miles of continuity shift in 2 cycles came from some where.   

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After getting such a massive storm...the SNE people think that big 8-12 type dumps are the "new norm".  ;)  Well... a pedestrian 3-6" type thing will seems very boring after that.

 

I'd take it and run here...

Huh? He's the only one forecasting reality in this storm versus the weenies. We've got a poor airmass with east winds and a coastal dying to the east, potentially spawning an inverted trough at Day 4, and people are calling for 8-12" of accumulation. I think a lot of posters are stuck with earlier forecasts and are not adapting to the changes in the models, which, needless to say, have not been favorable.

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The public numbers in retreat mode...

 

I think this looks reasonable given trends today, might even have to tick back more...

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Meh...I think really the solution itself has entirely changed from what models were predicting days ago.  I said as much to another member offline - just figured was better to let sleeping dogs lay until we got closer.

 

Let's see what the models bring about tonight, I think we've got to detach from what was being shown 2-3, even 18 hours ago because it doesn't really matter.  Analogs are surely useful, but only to the point that the underlying predicted pattern is close.

 

Everything aside of the blizzard developed later than we would have liked.  I would think the bumps we've seen continue, where that leaves us? 

 

OT, but actually shocked how little snow there is OTG in New England.  Around Plymouth NH there's some decent cover, less on the road up to Loon.  Loon itself has reasonable cover, but compared to normal I have to think it's really low.   Great skiing though.

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After getting such a massive storm...the SNE people think that big 8-12 type dumps are the "new norm". ;) Well... a pedestrian 3-6" type thing will seems very boring after that.

I'd take it and run here...

Well I would too. My issue is that if it's half an inch of QPF spread out during 42 hrs, it won't add up to much thanks to a variety of issues. Having it fall in 6 hrs is different. Maybe the inv trough comes through.

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OT, but actually shocked how little snow there is OTG in New England.  Around Plymouth NH there's some decent cover, less on the road up to Loon.  Loon itself has reasonable cover, but compared to normal I have to think it's really low.   Great skiing though.

 

Was talking to another Met about this... The blizzard ended and the cold went with it...  The next day was in the upper 30s, then it was sunny and 44-49 the rest of that week and that 23" of powdery snow was all the way down to just 5" of corn snow here in Ayer.  Then a storm failure did nothing to add, and we it's turned a little colder over the last 2 days.  

 

There was no snow pack prior to he blizzard, so really...despite a very real shot at breaking a February snow record for some sites, this month has had an equally epic, albeit sneaky means to disappoint snow lovers.   Pretty weird. 

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Then when you factor in the areas to the northwest of that blizzard dump who haven't had much in general....there must be very few places in NE or west across Upstate NY with deep snow pack.

 

There is essentially nothing in any valleys around here. I'm hanging onto several inches of junk.

Was talking to another Met about this... The blizzard ended and the cold went with it...  The next day was in the upper 30s, then it was sunny and 44-49 the rest of that week and that 23" of powdery snow was all the way down to just 5" of corn snow here in Ayer.  Then a storm failure did nothing to add, and we it's turned a little colder over the last 2 days.  

 

There was no snow pack prior to he blizzard, so really...despite a very real shot at breaking a February snow record for some sites, this month has had an equally epic, albeit means to disappoint snow lovers.   Pretty weird. 

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If there is any truth to the idea that half the 18z initialization grid is based upon the 6 hour procession of events from the 12z run, than it makes perfect sense that the 18z run went even farther SE, because it based on the same damn genetics.  Same with the NAM for that matter - 

 

I think if there is to be an adjustment back NW it would not have come until the fresh inputs on the 00z cycle, anyway.  

 

Frankly I wish NCEP wouldn't bother with 18z unless the data is full suite.  

 

People laughed at me and bunned me when I said the 00z had a Norlun aspect to it, now that's what we pining for?   hah!   

 

The other thing that is annoying is when the Diagnostics desk at NCEPs says the initialization errors don't appear to significantly effect blah blah blah.  Give us a f break!  300 miles of continuity shift in 2 cycles came from some where.   

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Yeah now that we are in inverted trough territory it's gonna be hit and miss. Somebody will probably get 6-8.  You might have a better shot since you can fight the diurnal effects at 1k feet better during the extended period of lighter snow.

 

 

 

BOX has 6-8 for mby.  I'll be damned if that happens, I'm not sure where it would be coming from. 

 

"Hi.  I'm MPM and I have a qpf-fetish......."

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BOX has 6-8 for mby. I'll be damned if that happens, I'm not sure where it would be coming from.

"Hi. I'm MPM and I have a qpf-fetish......."

well, last Saturday I woke to 3.5" of fluff when I expected flurries to an inch....sometimes in a setup like this, you can get a decent ratio and put together 6" on scant precip. Of course that wont mean squat over 36 hours...
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Just a hunch Hunchie somebody in CNE is going to be happy happy happy. Oh and yea there is still a lot of snow around CT. Man I am glad I do not live in cities.Ryan linked this today http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlanticcities.com%2Fpolitics%2F2013%2F02%2Fconnecticut-unplowed-streets-might-be-new-normal%2F4777%2F&h=gAQGuAd_g&s=1

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The NAM still has a pretty decent s/w from the Tn valley towards the mid-atl coast 24hrs through 36hrs.  It's too bad this is mostly wasted.  Looks a hair more potent this run.  Could be a late deepening of the SLP and some enhanced precip in EMA in conjunction with upper level passage.

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Was talking to another Met about this... The blizzard ended and the cold went with it...  The next day was in the upper 30s, then it was sunny and 44-49 the rest of that week and that 23" of powdery snow was all the way down to just 5" of corn snow here in Ayer.  Then a storm failure did nothing to add, and we it's turned a little colder over the last 2 days.  

 

There was no snow pack prior to he blizzard, so really...despite a very real shot at breaking a February snow record for some sites, this month has had an equally epic, albeit sneaky means to disappoint snow lovers.   Pretty weird. 

 

It's simply not that particularly "cold" anymore in these parts.  Both Dec. and Jan. were more than 3F above normal for me at KPWM, and now Feb. is running above normal, too.  We bottomed out at -4F at KPWM this meteorological winter, exactly like last winter (which was our 2nd warmest on record).  1971-2000 climo had us bottoming out on average between -15 and -10F. 1981-2010 climo at -9F.  

We just don't get the sustained stretches of multi-day, dramatically colder than normal temps that we got here at KPWM and elsewhere in New England as recently as the late '90s.

It snows.  Sometimes BIG.  But it no longer sticks around as it once did.

 

When I lived in Burlington from '91-'94, a couple of those winters: once the first significant snow fell by late Nov. or early Dec., we simply *did not see* bare ground until late March or so.

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people want to bust on the GFS...bust on the NAM. terrible. 

EURO and SREFs have been consistent with 5-7" here for 3 runs. NAM and GFS have jumped around from 1" qpf  to .25" qpf back to .5" to .25". All over the place. I'm relatively confident in 4-8" from up here down to ORH.

 

I agree with you that BOS is the real wild card, could be non accumulating crap.

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