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Feb 24th threat part deux


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i imagine you'll still get snow out of it. i don't think it's trended *that* badly. 

 

Latitude is in our favor here. The constant out this way is that there has never been a real worry about P-type from this.   For me anything over a few inches is a big win since we've had little since the blizzard and could use a refresher.  

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Enough with the passive aggressive trolling. We'll be happy to issue out more 5ppd if you want to test the rules.

 

Oh ... have you been deleting them?   I won't bother going back through pages for that entertainment if they are not there.   Seeing the 06z and now the 12z GFS, I figured this thread would have hours of entertainment from people who think they are cleverly hiding their tormented frustration and anger motivate jabs, while in reality being wholly transparent ... Wah wah waaaaaah   ...goes the sad trumpet. 

 

I was just reading the Model Diagnostic Discussion and they don't even mention the GFS - it's like, it's so bad, they don't even give it the respect of saying they are not including it.  Then was like, 'wait a second', checked again, and it's the diagnostic discussion regarding the 00z initialization, apparently, prior to the 00z GFS run!  Huh.  It was published at 11:27am, too - 

 

So, NCEP's 12 hours and a whole model source belated on their analysis of model performance so who knows what the hell is going on...  I suppose I could go study water vapor loops, and pour over Midwest/upstream AFD's to try and piece together some reason why the GFS is pretty much a complete miss rather abruptly, but you know ... the sun is so bright coming through the window - it's reminiscent of April.  I realize it is only Feb 22nd, but I'm beleaguered and bored by this winter.  I actually slipped into that mode prior to the blizzard, then, ironically ... we got a blizzard.  

 

Part of me wants a complete whiff with dim sun through high clouds.    

 

EDIT:  Okay, they just updated it:  "SYSTEM MOVING UP THE EAST COAST PREFERENCE: NON-GFS COMPROMISE WITH AVERAGE CONFIDENCE"   Not shocking

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I agree conservative is def the way to go in this. I mean, 6-10 is prob the highest I would go here...5-9 might be better or even 4-8 if the Euro comes in bit clunky. I do think the hills (north of the mid-level warming) will make out okay due to better boudnary layer conditions...so even more modest rates won't hurt as much. Lower down, I'd prob start with 3-6ish for the CP off the water and work from there. For BOS, tough call..prob 2-4? Though they could get clipped by that developing commahead which could give them several inches more than that.

Yeah I'm not sure when BOS cools to freezing.  Definite non-accumulation snow possibility.  There's bust potential with every storm.   The Ukie could happen and everyone would look silly.  But I like your 2-4 call a lot.

 

How does the Ukie even produce all that QPF.  The QPF output often seems fishie.  Is it legit?

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So, NCEP's 12 hours and a whole model source belated on their analysis of model performance so who knows what the hell is going on...  I suppose I could go study water vapor loops, and pour over Midwest/upstream AFD's to try and piece together some reason why the GFS is pretty much a complete miss rather abruptly, but you know ... the sun is so bright coming through the window - it's reminiscent of April.  I realize it is only Feb 22nd, but I'm beleaguered and bored by this winter.  I actually slipped into that mode prior to the blizzard, then, ironically ... we got a blizzard.  

 

Part of me wants a complete whiff with dim sun through high clouds.    

 

That solution could still be exciting for some as they are left to ponder why the models performed so poorly for days.  I think it's been more interesting this year seeing all of the models struggle at one time or another because nothing has been a lock so hope springs eternal for whatever outcome one is hoping to see.

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Love how you guys posted my Letterman Performance. I think Jerry just saw it out of the blue!

Here's what I said after -

Love how you guys posted it!! Love you guys! And it was towed. Not stolen luckily. Hate NYC even More if it's possible hahaha. And I wasn't watching the Euro in Jammies Ekster, was hanging with Wynton Marsalis haha. But I was thinking about the Models the whole day. Sick me. I have 1000 texts and FB messages to go through, but what's the deal has this storm come back from the dead and I stay above the S/N battleground to grab 15"?? Johnny Depp IS a nice guy and is really easy to talk with.

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Yea, I mean.....it wasn't AS bad as the GFS, but def. more in it's camp...

 

They don't really say specifically what, if any, what the GFS initialization errors are, except to say that they were present; in both the NAM and GFS for that matter.  I read somewhere that the GGEM's grid is in part populated by data provided by NOAA - if so, it is quite plausible that whatever it was/is that is pruning the GFS solution out in time, is also tainting that run.  

 

Just a suggestion  -   

 

Either way, NCEP is recommending NON-GFS solutions at this point.  

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Yeah I'm not sure when BOS cools to freezing.  Definite non-accumulation snow possibility.  There's bust potential with every storm.   The Ukie could happen and everyone would look silly.  But I like your 2-4 call a lot.

 

How does the Ukie even produce all that QPF.  The QPF output often seems fishie.  Is it legit?

 

The Ukie allows the southern vort to catch the sfc wave before it escapes east...so it captures it and rips a very potent CCB back over SNE. I don't believe the solution, but that is probably how it generates all the QPF.

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They don't really say specifically what, if any, are the GFS initialization errors are, except to say that they were present; in both the NAM and GFS for that matter.  I read somewhere that the GGEM's grid is in part populated by data provided by NOAA - if so, it is quite plausible that whatever it was/is that is pruning the GFS solution out in time, is also tainting that run.  

 

Just a suggestion  -   

 

Either way, NCEP is recommending NON-GFS solutions at this point.  

what do you mean?

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You guys have to realize that temps near freezing with fluffy ULL snow that the GFS is advertising on Sunday means little accumulations unless it comes down hard. Low water content snow is hard to stick unless it's cold or coming down hard this time of year. Those precip rates on the GFS weren't terribly exciting..maybe it sticks to existing snow or grass...something like that. I'm speaking for lower elevations of course.

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