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I should mention that the slower this thing is, the more likely ORD (and most of IL) will have BL temp issues. Right now, the only "safe" spot is in Iowa or up in Wisconsin (but the storm will have likely weakened enough for a less-than-major snowfall there), unless the NAM/SREF are right (fat chance).

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I should mention that the slower this thing is, the more likely ORD (and most of IL) will have BL temp issues. Right now, the only "safe" spot is in Iowa or up in Wisconsin (but the storm will have likely weakened enough for a less-than-major snowfall there), unless the NAM/SREF are right (fat chance).

 

 

Hard to argue with this

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I can't seem to recall having two storms back to back that started off as nice lake cutters in the SW but occluded/weakened as they got to this area. It seems, in recent past, either we got the big cutter to materialize or the storm went completely south and missed everyone altogether. I would be interested in hearing some met thoughts on why this has been the case over the past week. Is it simply the downstream blocking configuration that is causing this or is there more to it?

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ECMWF Deterministic FORECAST FOR: DET LAT= 42.40 LON= -83.00 ELE= 627

12Z FEB22
2 M 850 SFC SFC 700 6 HR 500 1000 
TMP TMP PRS RHU RHU QPF HGT 500 
© © (MB) (PCT) (PCT) (IN) (DM) THK 

TUE 06Z 26-FEB -5.7 0.0 1019 80 27 0.00 558 543 
TUE 12Z 26-FEB -2.8 1.2 1015 76 13 0.00 557 545 
TUE 18Z 26-FEB 1.3 3.4 1008 75 100 0.05 553 546 
WED 00Z 27-FEB 0.6 -1.2 1005 98 81 0.56 542 538 
WED 06Z 27-FEB 1.6 -1.8 1003 95 58 0.09 536 534 
WED 12Z 27-FEB -0.8 -4.7 1004 96 98 0.01 531 52

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lol, abandoned your suppression worries quickly i see

 

It still technically is suppressed (for here) as by the time it gets up here it loses some of its moisture and is occluding, but I guess I realize there is more potential here.  I was going to base some of my thoughts on how the Euro continues to trend, and since it held serve or moved a tad NW from 0z, I won't be worried about suppression.

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DTX:

 

 

BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE EXTENDED FORECAST WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FORMIXED PRECIPITATION AND ACCUMULATING SNOWFALL ON TUESDAY AND TUESDAYEVENING. MODELS STILL VARY A BIT WITH HOW THEY HANDLE THESYSTEM...WHICH IS CURRENTLY OFF THE COAST OF BRITISH COLUMBIA...ANDHOPE THESE WILL BECOME RESOLVED AT LEAST SOMEWHAT IN THE NEXT 24HOURS AS THE SYSTEM MOVES ONSHORE AND BECOMES SAMPLED BY UPPER AIRNETWORK. SYSTEM SHOULD CROSS THE ROCKIES MONDAY...WITH LEECYCLOGENESIS OF THE SURFACE SYSTEM OCCURRING OVER THE PLAINS BEFORETHE UPPER AND SURFACE SYSTEMS BECOME MORE VIRTUALLY STACKED ANDWEAKEN BY LATE TUESDAY AS THEY LIFT INTO THE GREAT LAKES.TIMING/TRACK OF THE SYSTEM ACROSS THE AREA STILL VARY...LEADING TOUNCERTAINTY WITH WHAT THERMAL FIELDS WILL LOOK LIKE AS FORCING ANDPRECIPITATION SPREAD INTO THE AREA...THOUGH 12Z MODEL SUITE DOESMORE STRONGLY FAVOR SNOW AT THE ONSET THAN PREVIOUS RUNS. MOSTMODELS SHOW ISENTROPIC ASCENT OCCURRING ALONG INCREASING LOWERLEVELS (AS TIME GOES BY) OF THE WARM FRONT LATE MONDAY ANDTUESDAY...WITH GFS NOW SHOWING STRONG FGEN IN THE MID-LEVELS FOR THEFIRST HALF OF THE DAY. THIS DOES ALSO COINCIDE WITH THE DGZ ANDWITHIN/BELOW AREA OF LOWEST STATIC STABILITY...ROUGHLY ABOVE600MB...AND WE COULD SEE SOME PRETTY GOOD PRECIPITATION RATES AT THEFRONT END OF THIS STORM SYSTEM. EXPECT SNOW TO SPREAD INTO THEAREA...THEN POSSIBLY CHANGE OVER THE EITHER RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN ASWARM AIR IS PULLED NORTHWARD AS THE LOW TRACKS OVER THE AREA. DRYSLOT IS NOT VERY PRONOUNCED IN LATEST EURO/GFS...BUT COULD STILL BEA POSSIBILITY TO CONTEND WITH IF THE SYSTEM TRACKS FARTHER NORTH.WITH POTENTIAL FOR ACCUMULATING SNOW AND MIXED PRECIPITATION...HAVEADDED MENTION TO THE HWO...BUT WE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF DAYS OUT ANDTHERE IS A LOT THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

 

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MONDAY THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY...HAVE UPPED POPS MONDAY NIGHT AND

TUESDAY TO LIKELY WITH MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW AMOUNTS SUGGESTED.

NUMEROUS TOOLS SUGGEST MOST OF THE AREA TO SEE WELL OVER 4+ INCHES

WITH MOST RELIABLE TOOLS ALL SUGGESTING A SWATH OF 6-12+ INCHES OF

HEAVY SNOW THAT RIGHT NOW IS TRENDING TOWARD A IRK-MUS-FEP LINE.

THIS SHOULD BE BETTER CLARIFIED IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. IF PHASING

ON THE BACK SIDE OCCURS AS SUGGESTED BY SOME SOLUTIONS WITH STRONGER

OCCLUSION THEN STRONGER COLD CONVEYOR BELT SUGGESTED AND NEAR

BLIZZARD CONDITIONS LIKELY. SOME TOOLS SUGGEST WIND GUSTS OF 40-45

MPH WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TO BLIZZARD THRESHOLD FOR LATER SHIFTS TO

MONITOR. THERE IS NO DOUBT THIS WILL BE A MAJOR EVENT LAST 12-18+

HOURS AND LIKELY GREATER THAN THE EVENT THE PAST 24 HOURS. THIS IS

A DEVELOPING SYSTEM THAT WILL STRENGTHEN VERSUS A WEAKENING AND

FILLING SYSTEM THAT PASSED. ADD WERE IN THE NATURAL BAROCLINIC

ZONE OF A PRONOUNCED SNOW AND NO SNOW LINE...THIS MAKES RISK OF A

MAJOR EVENT GREATER. THE DATA AS OF NOW...SUPPORTS AT LEAST PART

OF THE AREA WILL SEE A MAJOR WINTER STORM. AREA SNOW TO LIQUID WATER

EQUIVALENT RATIOS ARE SUGGESTED TO BE IN THE 12-15 TO 1 RANGE. ARE

TEMPERATURES SHOULD STAY IN THE MID 20S TO LOWER 30S FOR THIS EVENT.

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MONDAY THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY...HAVE UPPED POPS MONDAY NIGHT AND

TUESDAY TO LIKELY WITH MODERATE TO HEAVY SNOW AMOUNTS SUGGESTED.

NUMEROUS TOOLS SUGGEST MOST OF THE AREA TO SEE WELL OVER 4+ INCHES

WITH MOST RELIABLE TOOLS ALL SUGGESTING A SWATH OF 6-12+ INCHES OF

HEAVY SNOW THAT RIGHT NOW IS TRENDING TOWARD A IRK-MUS-FEP LINE.

THIS SHOULD BE BETTER CLARIFIED IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. IF PHASING

ON THE BACK SIDE OCCURS AS SUGGESTED BY SOME SOLUTIONS WITH STRONGER

OCCLUSION THEN STRONGER COLD CONVEYOR BELT SUGGESTED AND NEAR

BLIZZARD CONDITIONS LIKELY. SOME TOOLS SUGGEST WIND GUSTS OF 40-45

MPH WHICH ARE VERY CLOSE TO BLIZZARD THRESHOLD FOR LATER SHIFTS TO

MONITOR. THERE IS NO DOUBT THIS WILL BE A MAJOR EVENT LAST 12-18+

HOURS AND LIKELY GREATER THAN THE EVENT THE PAST 24 HOURS. THIS IS

A DEVELOPING SYSTEM THAT WILL STRENGTHEN VERSUS A WEAKENING AND

FILLING SYSTEM THAT PASSED. ADD WERE IN THE NATURAL BAROCLINIC

ZONE OF A PRONOUNCED SNOW AND NO SNOW LINE...THIS MAKES RISK OF A

MAJOR EVENT GREATER. THE DATA AS OF NOW...SUPPORTS AT LEAST PART

OF THE AREA WILL SEE A MAJOR WINTER STORM. AREA SNOW TO LIQUID WATER

EQUIVALENT RATIOS ARE SUGGESTED TO BE IN THE 12-15 TO 1 RANGE. ARE

TEMPERATURES SHOULD STAY IN THE MID 20S TO LOWER 30S FOR THIS EVENT.

 

Wow, that sounds exciting! Now read GRR discussion to balance that out. I need some Prozac after reading theirs. lol

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Here's GRR

 

 

TRENDED THE FORECAST A BIT SLOWER AS A DEEP UPPER TROUGH MOVESSLOWLY ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THE NATION.  HAVE TAKEN ALL POPS OUT OFTHE FORECAST FOR MONDAY...IN FACT THE REAL PUSH OF PCPN DOES NOTLOOK TO ARRIVE UNTIL LATE MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY.PCPN TYPE REMAINS A CHALLENGE. THE SURFACE LOW TRAVELS FROM NEARST. LOUIS MONDAY NIGHT TO JUST SOUTH OF CHICAGO ON TUESDAY. ASTHIS OCCURS WE SHOULD SEE A SURGE OF WARMER AIR MOVE IN ALOFT.SEEMS LIKE A DECENT SETUP FOR FREEZING RAIN...POSSIBLY MIXED WITHSNOW AT THE ONSET OF THE PCPN MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING.THEN THE PCPN SHOULD CHANGE TO RAIN FOR THE SOUTHERN 2/3 OF THECWA TUESDAY AFTERNOON... WHILE STAYING A MIX IN THE NORTH. MOREFINE TUNING TO THE FORECAST WILL BE LIKELY AS THE SYSTEMAPPROACHES. QPF IS UP AROUND THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH FOR MONDAYNIGHT AND TUESDAY...SO IF A COOLER TREND IS REALIZED...ASIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ICE AND/OR SNOW COULD OCCUR.
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18Z NAM is just another example of why we should stop wasting computer power running it past 48 hours.

 

18Z GFS is even worse than the 12Z Euro for low level temps. Blasts +2 850s all the way to Iowa. Only place that escapes mixing is MCI-IRK. If you aren't on the NW side of this one AND getting high enough precip rates for a snow island, forget about it.

 

On the upside, it looks like a candidate for "excessive wraparound" token 1-2" snows on the backside with the rather extreme mid-level vortex wrapping moisture all the way around the center.

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18Z NAM is just another example of why we should stop wasting computer power running it past 48 hours.

 

18Z GFS is even worse than the 12Z Euro for low level temps. Blasts +2 850s all the way to Iowa. Only place that escapes mixing is MCI-IRK. If you aren't on the NW side of this one AND getting high enough precip rates for a snow island, forget about it.

 

On the upside, it looks like a candidate for "excessive wraparound" token 1-2" snows on the backside with the rather extreme mid-level vortex wrapping moisture all the way around the center.

 

bullish :lol:

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