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Central PA - Second Half of February 2013


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do you have the numbers for FIG?

about an inch QPF with 850 temps all below 0... surface temps 32-34...

 

I have not seen euro temps for other than surface and 850 so curious to see how 850-700mb temps are... Both NAM and GFS have a warming layer there due to the strong south easterly jet around 850mb...

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about an inch QPF with 850 temps all below 0... surface temps 32-34...

 

I have not seen euro temps for other than surface and 850 so curious to see how 850-700mb temps are... Both NAM and GFS have a warming layer there due to the strong south easterly jet around 850mb...

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Henry is a little bullish!!

 

Seems like he's hugging the Euro, looks like it's giving us low level warning amounts taken literally. I feel like this is gonna be the kind of storm where those of us in the valleys will get a slushy couple of inches and the ridge tops have 6" or maybe more.

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Henry is a little bullish!!

 

Lol. I certainly buy the potential that there are more flakes than advertised for this...but the sketchy surface temps/time of day with the first part of the storm and aforementioned column being marginal is probably going to render this a < 10:1 event as it is for the most part. He must be basing that heavily on the 4km high res NAM which prints out an insane amount of snow and i'm not really sure how it A. cranks out as much QPF as it does and B. Puts out as much snowfall as it does considering it's ptype product suggest more of a mix and the reflectivity product doesn't really seem to support the widespread 1-1.5" of precip it cranks out. The ridges are likely getting overestimated with its 3" QPF stripe over places like the Allegheny front and even the Seven Mountains ridges. I'll play along with AOO/UNV (especially on the ridges) maybe seeing advisory amounts in the best scenario.. but I can't jump on board with that widespread of a 6-12 or even 3-6 zone for that matter.

 

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/NAMSFC4US_12z/snow60.gif

 

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/NAMSFC4_12z/comploop.html

 

about an inch QPF with 850 temps all below 0... surface temps 32-34...

 

I have not seen euro temps for other than surface and 850 so curious to see how 850-700mb temps are... Both NAM and GFS have a warming layer there due to the strong south easterly jet around 850mb...

 

Here is the Euro derived skew-t for Hour 36 at UNV. This is as warm as it gets above 800mb before that region of the column starts cooling off.. right on the 0ºC line but seems to just barely support snow.

 

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Lol. I certainly buy the potential that there are more flakes than advertised for this...but the sketchy surface temps/time of day with the first part of the storm and aforementioned column being marginal is probably going to render this a < 10:1 event as it is for the most part. He must be basing that heavily on the 4km high res NAM which prints out an insane amount of snow and i'm not really sure how it A. cranks out as much QPF as it does and B. Puts out as much snowfall as it does considering it's ptype product suggest more of a mix and the reflectivity product doesn't really seem to support the widespread 1-1.5" of precip it cranks out. The ridges are likely getting overestimated with its 3" QPF stripe over places like the Allegheny front and even the Seven Mountains ridges. I'll play along with AOO/UNV (especially on the ridges) maybe seeing advisory amounts in the best scenario.. but I can't jump on board with that widespread of a 6-12 or even 3-6 zone for that matter.

 

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/NAMSFC4US_12z/snow60.gif

 

 

Here is the Euro derived skew-t for Hour 36 at UNV. This is as warm as it gets above 800mb before that region of the column starts cooling off.. right on the 0ºC line but seems to just barely support snow.

 

attachicon.gifecmwfued---conus-36-A-1361823268934.png

The NAM had about 6 feet of snow falling over N NJ right before the 2/8 blizzard where they ended up with maybe 6-8" averaged out. That model is such a joke.

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Winter Weather Advisory


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA

802 PM EST MON FEB 25 2013

PAZ004-010-017>019-045-046-261115-

/O.NEW.KCTP.WW.Y.0013.130226T1800Z-130227T1200Z/

WARREN-ELK-CLEARFIELD-NORTHERN CENTRE-SOUTHERN CENTRE-

SOUTHERN CLINTON-SOUTHERN LYCOMING-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WARREN...ST. MARYS...RIDGWAY...DUBOIS...

CLEARFIELD...PHILIPSBURG...STATE COLLEGE...LOCK HAVEN...

WILLIAMSPORT

802 PM EST MON FEB 25 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM TUESDAY TO 7 AM

EST WEDNESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE HAS ISSUED A WINTER

WEATHER ADVISORY FOR MIXED PRECIPITATION...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM

1 PM TUESDAY TO 7 AM EST WEDNESDAY.

* LOCATIONS...THE NORTHERN AND CENTRAL MOUNTAINS.

* HAZARD TYPES...MODERATE SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS AND

POSSIBLY MINOR ICE ACCRETIONS FROM FREEZING RAIN.

* ACCUMULATIONS...A SLUSHY 2 TO 4 INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET. A THIN

LAYER OF ICE ALSO POSSIBLE...MAINLY ON THE RIDGES

* TIMING...MIXED PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN IN THE EARLY

AFTERNOON...AND LAST INTO TUESDAY NIGHT. THE PRECIPITATION MAY

TURN TO PLAIN RAIN FOR A TIME AS WELL.

* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS AND DIFFICULT TRAVEL. ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES

ARE POSSIBLE.

* WINDS...EAST 15 TO 25 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH.

* TEMPERATURES...IN THE MID 30S IN THE VALLEYS AND LOWER 30S ON

THE RIDGES.

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Winter Storm Watch


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA

802 PM EST MON FEB 25 2013

PAZ005-006-011-012-037-041-042-261115-

/O.NEW.KCTP.WS.A.0003.130226T2000Z-130227T1800Z/

MCKEAN-POTTER-CAMERON-NORTHERN CLINTON-TIOGA-NORTHERN LYCOMING-

SULLIVAN-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BRADFORD...COUDERSPORT...EMPORIUM...

RENOVO...MANSFIELD...WELLSBORO...LAPORTE

802 PM EST MON FEB 25 2013

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH

WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE HAS ISSUED A WINTER

STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH

WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.

* LOCATIONS...THE NORTHERN MOUNTAINS.

* HAZARD TYPES...HEAVY SNOW AND MINOR ICE ACCUMULATIONS.

* ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 8 INCHES POSSIBLE. MINOR ICE ACCUMULATIONS

ALSO POSSIBLE.

* TIMING...SNOW AND SLEET WILL START IN THE AFTERNOON AND EARLY

EVENING. PRECIPITATION MAY TURN TO RAIN AT TIMES...AND COULD

FREEZE AS IT FALLS ON TO COLD OBJECTS...OR EVEN MELT THE MIXED

PRECIPITATION...WHICH WOULD KEEP ACCUMULATIONS DOWN.

* IMPACTS...POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS TRAVEL. SCATTERED POWER OUTAGES

ALSO POSSIBLE DUE TO THE HEAVY WET NATURE OF THE SNOW AND ICE

COMBINE WITH GUSTY WINDS.

* WINDS...SOUTHEAST 10 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH.

* TEMPERATURES...STARTING IN THE UPPER 30S...BUT COOLING TO THE IN

THE LOWER 30S.

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