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February 16th-17th Potential Winter Storm Part II


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The NAM completely lost the potent s/w that it had last night in Pa and NY for Fri night into Sat.  Pretty dramatic change for those who want to take a look (sorry can't add images right now).  These runs were printing out >.5 liquid for CPA into CNY and a surface towards Quebec City.

 

Losing this s/w seemingly opens the door for a complete miss, but also might allow the main trof energy some room to amplify and mature.  We need these next two cycles to deliver.  The seasonal track is offshore.  We need to break the pattern.

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The NAM completely lost the potent s/w that it had last night in Pa and NY for Fri night into Sat. Pretty dramatic change for those who want to take a look (sorry can't add images right now). These runs were printing out >.5 liquid for CPA into CNY and a surface towards Quebec City.

Losing this s/w seemingly opens the door for a complete miss, but also might allow the main trof energy some room to amplify and mature. We need these next two cycles to deliver. The seasonal track is offshore. We need to break the pattern.

If that energy coming off the pacific does crash into that western ridge as is being depicted on the nam, it spells big trouble. Everything gets pushed east, sets up an unfavorable trough structure and we just miss out, but then again it's the nam...
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Upton

 

A COASTAL LOW WILL BE DEVELOPING ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND WILL TRACK JUST SOUTHEAST OF LONG ISLAND BY SATURDAY NIGHT. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THIS LOW COULD BRING SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL...ESPECIALLY TO AREAS NEAR NEW YORK CITY AND POINTS EAST.
http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=HWO&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off
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The remarkable thing was the 18Z NAM actually appeared to have the trough be overall more negatively tilted than the 12Z run did.

It did.  The lead wave has evaporated, resulting in higher heights and no QPF on Saturday.  So our hopes would have to rest with the follow up s/w, which is more or less tied to the longwave trof evolution.

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It did.  The lead wave has evaporated, resulting in higher heights and no QPF on Saturday.  So our hopes would have to rest with the follow up s/w, which is more or less tied to the longwave trof evolution.

Our hopes should never rest with the nam. Why are we all upset - lets wait for 0z suite before we make judgements.

 

Rossi

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Our hopes should never rest with the nam. Why are we all upset - lets wait for 0z suite before we make judgements.

 

Rossi

Of course.  Was just referencing the NAM evolution specifically.

 

To get a moderate or better snowstorm, we almost certainly need the longwave trof to tilt and cutoff in a fashion roughly similar to the 12z GGEM/UK/GFS, allowing a SLP center to back a little closer to the coast, and potentially linger as its pulled back towards the upper level low.

 

Last nights guidance was primarily giving us light and moderate QPF from a lead wave on Fri night into Sat that sharpens up the upper right quadrant of the trof.  The main trof and follow up impulse had been mostly a miss (save for a few nogaps and UK runs).  The NAM was originally most notable in amplifying the Sat s/w, but has since backed off completely.  The huge spread of the SREF tells the tale right now.

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That's the 12z. 18z is way less amped. Looks like there was a blip in the 12z data. 

Less amped how? 

 

If anything to me it looks further west with the QPF associated with the Sat wave.  It's not overly wet though.  But the 12z GEM was a late bloomer, so it's difficult to know what it would do beyond 48hrs.

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