earthlight Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 From the Canadian Met office.. MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS-VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTREON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THECANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICEOF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBALDETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO ASGDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE:- CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OFADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTALRESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODELPHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTCRUNS.OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOWIMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OFTHE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESEIMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE INA DECADE. A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS ATCMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICHDEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGESWERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TOHARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSOIMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zir0b Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Is the RGEM being updated also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn0waddict Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Is the RGEM being updated also? Didn't the RGEM already use 4DVAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpsonsbuff Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Didn't the RGEM already use 4DVAR? Fairly sure it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Is the RGEM being updated also? Pretty sure that's what it's talking about when in mentions rdps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 meanwhile, we're cutting NWS offices/budgets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Shouldn't the wording 'subjective evaluation' be 'an objective evaluation'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 meanwhile, we're cutting NWS offices/budgets.. well ACORN needs the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 well ACORN needs the money... Too bad they don't exist anymore. So who's the money going to now? Nice try Ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisy Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 So did todays 12z RGEM use the upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The ggem did. Graphics are sharper and isobars added to precip maps. Currently out to hour 60: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/data/model_forecast/colour_images/12_054_G1_north@america@zoomout_I_4PAN_CLASSIC@012_060.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 From the Canadian Met office.. MAJOR UPGRADE TO THE GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM GDPS- VERSION 3.0.0) AT THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE ON WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 13, 2013, STARTING WITH THE 1200 UTC RUN, THE CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL CENTRE (CMC) OF THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE OF CANADA (MSC) WILL IMPLEMENT VERSION 3.0.0 OF ITS GLOBAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (GDPS), HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS GDPS-3.0.0. THE MAIN CHANGES OF THIS UPDATE ARE: - CHANGES TO THE 4D-VAR DATA ASSIMILATION SYSTEM: - THE USE OF ADDITIONAL REMOTE SENSING DATA: - AN INCREASE IN HORIZONTAL RESOLUTION FROM 33 TO 25 KM: - IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THE GEM MODEL PHYSICS: - AND 1200 UTC RUNS NOW DONE TO 240 HOURS AS FOR 0000 UTC RUNS. OBJECTIVE SCORES DONE IN DEVELOPMENT AND PARALLEL RUN PHASES SHOW IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FORECASTS WITH MOST METRICS THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE ATMOSPHERE, IN PARTICULAR OVER NORTH AMERICA IN WINTER. THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE USUALLY SEEN ONLY ONCE IN A DECADE. A SUBJECTIVE EVALUATION BY OPERATIONAL METEOROLOGISTS AT CMC CONFIRMED THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. OTHER FORECAST SYSTEMS WHICH DEPEND ON GDPS OUTPUT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE GDPS-3.0.0. CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL DETERMINISTIC PREDICTION SYSTEM (RDPS) TO HARMONIZE IT WITH THE NEW GDPS, AND THE RDPS FORECASTS ARE ALSO IMPROVED AS A RESULT, SO ITS VERSION NUMBER IS ALSO INCREASED TO 3.1.0, AND IS HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS RDPS-3.1.0. Earthlight, The text states, in part, "...and 1200 UTC runs now done to 240 hours..." EC's website (http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/model_forecast/global_e.html) only goes out to 144 hours. Do you know if there's a public link to 240 hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Earthlight, The text states, in part, "...and 1200 UTC runs now done to 240 hours..." EC's website (http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/model_forecast/global_e.html) only goes out to 144 hours. Do you know if there's a public link to 240 hours? Ewall and meteocentre go out to hour 180.Hopefully, they update it to hour 240 soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Correction. Meteocentre has it out to hour 240 now. They just updated it. http://meteocentre.com/models/explorateur.php?mod=gemglb&run=12&stn=PNM&hh=000&map=na&stn2=PNM&run2=12&mod2=gemglb&hh2=000&comp=1&fixhh=1〈=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Earthlight, The text states, in part, "...and 1200 UTC runs now done to 240 hours..." EC's website (http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/model_forecast/global_e.html) only goes out to 144 hours. Do you know if there's a public link to 240 hours? Don, This one works for me: http://meteocentre.com/models/get_panel.php?mod=gemglb&run=12&stn=PNM&map=na〈=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Correction. Meteocentre has it out to hour 240 now. They just updated it. http://meteocentre.com/models/explorateur.php?mod=gemglb&run=12&stn=PNM&hh=000&map=na&stn2=PNM&run2=12&mod2=gemglb&hh2=000&comp=1&fixhh=1〈=en Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The 12z euro and the upgraded 12z ggem have nearly the IDENTICAL solution for the Feb. 22nd threat. Cutter and redevelopment over NYC. It's quite amazing how exact they are, so far out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 The 12z euro and the upgraded 12z ggem have nearly the IDENTICAL solution for the Feb. 22nd threat. Cutter and redevelopment over NYC. It's quite amazing how exact they are, so far out. You aren't kidding. Secondary development/surface low is in nearly the exact same spot at 240 hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUweathermanDD Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 You aren't kidding. Secondary development/surface low is in nearly the exact same spot at 240 hr. Hey earthlight, is it true the NOGAPS is getting an upgrade? NAVGEM I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Major upgrade to the Global Ensemble Prediction System (GEPS) version 3.0.0 at the Canadian Meteorological Centre On Wednesday February 13th 2013, starting with the 1200 UTC run the Meteorological Service of Canada's Canadian Meteorological Centre (CMC) will upgrade its Global Ensemble Prediction System (GEPS) to version 3.0.0. In this upgrade, major changes are brought to both the assimilation (Ensemble Kalman Filter or ENKF) and forecast components of the system. The ENKF is used to supply initial conditions to the GEPS, while the forecast component provides forecasts out to 16 days using the Canadian Global Environmental Multi-scale model (GEM). Those forecasts are shared with North American Ensemble Forecast System (NAEFS) partners, hence changes to our system will have an impact on the NAEFS forecasts. Changes common to both the assimilation and forecast components include: a newer version 4.4.1 of the GEM model with improved physics; reduction of the model time step from 30 minutes to 20 minutes; use of a filtered topography; and the use now of only one surface scheme (ISBA) (the previous scheme Force-Restore is no longer used). Changes installed uniquely into the data assimilation component ENKF include: horizontal localization length scale now increasing with height; higher horizontal resolution (now ~66km); higher vertical resolution increased from 58 to 74 levels with the model top remaining at 2 hPa; an increased volume of AMSU radiance observations; and improved observation bias correction coming from the newer version 3.0.0 of the GDPS Changes installed uniquely into the forecast component include: adjustments to how physics tendencies are perturbed for convective precipitation; the physics tendencies perturbations are applied at every level except the very last one; addition of diffusion into the advection procedure; perturbation of the bulk drag coefficient in the orographic blocking scheme; and fine tuning of the adjustment factor alpha of the stochastic kinetic energy backscattering scheme. ENKF version 3.0.0 results in overall significant positive impacts on the analyses and trial fields of winds and temperature for almost the entire atmospheric column with some degradation in the bias of the zonal wind component at high levels. The geopotential heights error standard deviations are lowered in the troposphere. The biases of geopotential heights and temperature are reduced significantly. The forecast component of GEPS-3.0.0 brings a major improvement in upper air 16–day forecasts in the extra-tropics. There is less spread in the forecast of the new system while the forecasts are better. The upper air forecast from the Regional Ensemble Prediction System (REPS) will benefit significantly from having better initial and lateral boundary conditions from the GEPS-3.0.0. The North American Ensemble Forecast System (NAEFS) upper air forecasts will also improve significantly for day 1 to day 10 lead times with the contribution of GEPS-3.0.0. Hardware improvements coinciding with this implementation will result in some products being ready between 10 to 120 minutes sooner than their present time of production. A copy of the official note announcing the implementation of these changes along with information on verification work leading up to this implementation is available at this link. A technical note with many more details on this change is also available at this link. You can also access the GEPS products page in this CMC Product Guide by clicking here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUweathermanDD Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 bluewave, see my post to Earthlight about the new nogaps upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 bluewave, see my post to Earthlight about the new nogaps upgrade? Do you have a link with the details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUweathermanDD Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Do you have a link with the details? Look it up, its on their site. A member of our forum said it was being upgraded to the new NAVGEM. I'd look for that, I tried but couldn't tell when it was going operational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick05 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Look it up, its on their site. A member of our forum said it was being upgraded to the new NAVGEM. I'd look for that, I tried but couldn't tell when it was going operational. yeah i just noticed this too on FNMOC; replaced the NOGAPS with NAVGEM.. a quick google search led me to this ppt which looks to be from the FNMOC made a couple of years ago: NAVGEM replaces the NOGAPS dynamic core with a Semi- Lagrangian/Semi-Implicit formulation. • T359L42 NAVGEM is running in real-time at FNMOC in the alpha developmental environment. • NAVGEM is initialized by NAVDAS-AR, including neew satellite variational bias correction. • Physics is largely the same as NOGAPS, except for stability constraints on the cumulus momentum changes and the gravity wave drag changes. • Tests are ongoing with parts of GFS physics, RTM radiation, Schmidt’s cloud physics, changes to the vertical flux and Emanuel cumulus parameterization, and Kim/Doyle gravity wave drag. • The code is MPI optimized for LINUX (not IBM) platforms. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:6ONrnBp-FmIJ:www.ofcm.gov/copc/meetings/2011-01/01-FNMOC_COPC_Command_Update_2011_COv1.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiBKdlN1EBsY7-PBiRf0O0NF4cCA6wV_Rn6ddDS0bIPPGG1BVmhW0KIq7koYnwfA4gOOMMzpKE4zub8jWET4Sk1sWkUT5qLG6kHK5bvIA-nx_sTeCUNKxACY7tk_7og6wq_SfVG&sig=AHIEtbQyvSTdzEHlKWJxjFrEK61PNRGqLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn0w Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I know it hasn't been that long since the upgrade but has there been any noticeable improvement in accuracy since the upgrade? Or is it too soon to tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I know it hasn't been that long since the upgrade but has there been any noticeable improvement in accuracy since the upgrade? Or is it too soon to tell? Still an erratic model. No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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