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Here is another 1 of my dumb ideas as why the 12z nam might not be showing as much precip. If there would happen to be convection along the gulf coast then we might be getting a feedback problem. 

 

Personally I don't buy what it was doing with that southern energy......but we shall see. GFS will be telling. 

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THE 00Z NAM OFFERS A REASONABLE DEPICTION OF THE UPPER TROUGH AND

OF HIGH PRESSURE OVER EASTERN NORTH AMERICA. ITS SOLUTION FOR THE

TWO LOW PRESSURE CENTERS IN THE ATLANTIC... HOWEVER DIFFERS FROM

ENSEMBLE CONSENSUS AND TRENDS. THE NAM IS FARTHER EAST AND FAST

WITH THE FIRST LOW...AND IS THE EASTERN-MOST MODEL WITH THE DEEPER

LOW...LIFTING IT TOWARD NOVA SCOTIA BY MONDAY MORNING. THE

OPERATIONAL GFS RUNS HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY CONSISTENT IN CLUSTERING

AROUND THE GEFS MEAN...AND THE MEAN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT AS WELL.

THE 00Z GFS FELL FARTHER WEST AND IS MORE INTENSE EARLY IN THE

EVOLUTION THAN PREVIOUS RUNS. THIS IS WITHIN REASON...BUT IS

CONSIDERED A LOWER PROBABILITY SOLUTION AT THIS TIME. IN RECENT

STORMS OCCASIONAL RUNS OF THE GFS HAVE PRODUCED ACCELERATED

STRENGTHENING THAT RESULTS IN THE TRACK BEING TOO FAR WEST AND TOO

STRONG EARLY DURING DEVELOPMENT. FOR NOW...THE MAJORITY OF

ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS AND TRENDS WOULD SUGGEST THE 12Z AND 18Z GFS

RUNS ARE BETTER OPTIONS FOR THIS STORM. THE 00Z UKMET AND CANADIAN

BOTH LEND SUPPORT TO THIS IDEA. FINALLY...THE 00Z ECMWF TRENDED

TOWARD THE PREFERRED GFS CAMP OF SOLUTIONS...BUT THE ECMWF SEEMS

TO BE PHASING PRESSURE FALLS BETWEEN THE ARCTIC AND POLAR FRONTAL

ZONES SUCH THAT A CONSOLIDATED LOW FORMS FARTHER NORTH INITIALLY.

WE PREFER THE MODELS THAT ARE A BIT SLOWER AND FARTHER SOUTH EARLY

ON...AS PRIMARY CYCLOGENESIS WILL BE TIED TO A MID LEVEL IMPULSE

EMERGING OFF THE SOUTHEAST U.S. COAST NEAR THE POLAR FRONTAL

BOUNDARY.

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I'm about 25 miles south of Macon so maybe I am "oh, so close" as well!  Let's see if Delta will chime in with his thoughts about the snow prospects for central Georgia.

 

With a sounding like the one I posted for Macon GA, heavier QPF would likely overcome that warm boundary.  So for your back yard I think it a matter of radar watching to see if heavier rates form.  IF that happens then the likelyhood of snow making it to the ground increases.  If QPF just remains very light then not so much.

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The fact is that there is a ton of energy and very subtle changes in strength, track, orientation (of which precise interaction may not be known until the thing is unfolding) will make all the difference here.

This is such a dynamic and volatile situation, there are a lot of options still on the table. I would lean toward a less significant event, but like RAH pointed out last night, there is gasoline and there is a match, and they are really not all that far apart.

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NAM says Macon GA is oh so close to snow by 10am tomorrow.

 

Date: 27 hour Eta valid 15Z SAT 16 FEB 13Station: MCNLatitude:   32.70Longitude: -83.65-------------------------------------------------------------------------------LEV PRES  HGHT  TEMP  DEWP  RH  DD   WETB DIR SPD THETA THE-V THE-W THE-E   W     mb     m     C     C    %   C     C  deg knt   K     K     K     K    g/kg-------------------------------------------------------------------------------SFC 1004   118   3.5   2.0  90  1.5   2.8 324  10 276.3 277.1 275.8 288.3  4.40  1 1000   152   3.1                      324  10 276.3                          2  950   565  -0.4  -0.5  99  0.2  -0.4 338  21 276.8 277.5 275.3 287.4  3.87  3  900   996  -2.0  -2.5  97  0.5  -2.2 335  17 279.4 280.0 276.3 289.2  3.53  4  850  1449  -3.8  -4.3  96  0.6  -4.0 305  15 282.2 282.7 277.3 291.4  3.26  5  800  1926  -6.0  -6.7  94  0.7  -6.2 282  20 284.8 285.3 278.2 293.1  2.89  6  750  2428  -9.2 -10.2  92  1.0  -9.5 268  23 286.6 287.0 278.4 293.5  2.35  7  700  2958 -12.3 -13.6  90  1.3 -12.6 257  25 288.9 289.2 278.9 294.6  1.92  8  650  3522 -15.2 -16.7  88  1.5 -15.6 236  26 291.8 292.1 279.8 296.6  1.59  9  600  4122 -18.8 -20.6  86  1.8 -19.2 225  35 294.4 294.6 280.6 298.2  1.23 10  550  4764 -23.6 -25.7  83  2.1 -23.9 227  47 296.1 296.3 280.8 298.9  0.86 11  500  5453 -28.7 -31.2  79  2.5 -29.0 232  60 298.0 298.1 281.3 299.9  0.56

I think that's snow or at least a mix there. . the 1004mb sounding I throw out since it's so close to the 1000mb sounding..  Given the rate of  precip (although it's not much of course), subfreezing 950mb temps(normally that's what I look at for snow, ,  even if surface temps are above freezing) , cold 850mb temps, etc...I think it's snow/mix

 

Probably won't  accumulate and I have reservations given the relatively light precip but I think this run would *at least* produce a mix there, if not all snow toward the end.  I have to laugh otherwise I'd cry LOL given the total screwjob here pretty much.

 

Funny this run has the "winners" in central ga and sc and screws a lot of eastern nc where earlier it was good.

 

But honestly I don't trust it....especially over eastern nc.

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With a sounding like the one I posted for Macon GA, heavier QPF would likely overcome that warm boundary.  So for your back yard I think it a matter of radar watching to see if heavier rates form.  IF that happens then the likelyhood of snow making it to the ground increases.  If QPF just remains very light then not so much.

Thanks for sharing your insight.  I think it's safe to say that most of us would be excited for "any" type of frozen precip to fall tomorrow.  Our part of Georgia is usually on the outside looking in since north Georgia generally gets the better winter storm opportunities.  Maybe tomorrow will be one of those rare situations where it's better to be south than north!

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Where does HM come up witth the crappy call maps he continually tries to peddle across the SE?  I haven't seen a single model run that would verify his 3-6" swath from the Carolina mountains into VA.  Maybe I missed one, but he's just ridiculous. 

 

Seriously happy to have the amount of met knowledge on this board to cover the SE.  Keep it up red taggers!

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Thanks for sharing your insight.  I think it's safe to say that most of us would be excited for "any" type of frozen precip to fall tomorrow.  Our part of Georgia is usually on the outside looking in since north Georgia generally gets the better winter storm opportunities.  Maybe tomorrow will be one of those rare situations where it's better to be south than north!

I hope you guys do well central and east nc but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if this thing trended north and west just a little maybe a 100 miles if that much would do it for me.  my grand daughter lives in wilmington nc, would love for her and my daughter to have snow tomorrow.  hope you guys in sc and ga do well also and maybe next time us in the western part of the state can get some snow.  I've only had flurries this year and last, very disappointed

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Where does HM come up witth the crappy call maps he continually tries to peddle across the SE?  I haven't seen a single model run that would verify his 3-6" swath from the Carolina mountains into VA.  Maybe I missed one, but he's just ridiculous. 

 

Seriously happy to have the amount of met knowledge on this board to cover the SE.  Keep it up red taggers!

yep I saw the same thing, showing Asheville nc a swath up thru Virginia getting 3-6, GSP says Asheville little on no accum.  go figure, someone is wrong.

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This is not my storm, to far away form any moisture, plus I live in the moisture death shadows of the mountains. central SC to maybe the triad have a shot @ some snow, but eastern NC , SC from about RAH to Sum. SC have a good shot @ a decent snow event.  GA is a toss-up but I think some areas in GA might get a little more than inch hard to say with temps. 

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