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February 2013 mid-long range disco thread Part 2


yoda

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LOL at Ji freaking out over the gfs op run an hour ago only to have the GEFS give the best storm signal I have seen in 2 years.  At 100 hours plus I will take the GEFS mean over the op run, especially with this strong of a signal.  Again, not spiking the ball yet, but Ji you need to chill and ride the train all the way to the station on this one. 

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I am punting on the VD storm, maybe we get an inch of wet snow, but that doesn't do it for me. My focus is on this weekend. The 6z GFS run looks worse than yesterday's 6z run, but it is bringing that trough straight down to FL again (and further east). No way that is happening that quickly. The 6z NAM though looks better than the 6z GFS at least in terms of set-up (i.e., what's happening with the southern stream). So I am on board with some amount of snow this weekend, let's see what develops.

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The GEFS 06Z at hour 108 has a great look (Even better then the 00Z) leading into the potential PD3.

 

Edit: And once again the ensembles have a strong signal for PD3. Now all we need is to get the Euro on board.

I don't really see that...much farther OTS than 0z.  0z was an impressive look.  18z yesterday was pretty far OTS. Euro ensembles look better than the Op, but still not great for us.  Basically a Miller-B scenario at our latitude and fairly far OTS.  

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I don't really see that...much farther OTS than 0z.  0z was an impressive look.  18z yesterday was pretty far OTS. Euro ensembles look better than the Op, but still not great for us.  Basically a Miller-B scenario at our latitude and fairly far OTS.  

You don't think the setup @108 leading into the potential PD3 looks better? I do agree 00Z had a better look after that time period but I really thought this look was better myself.

 

Note: There is a 6 hour lag between these.

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I don't really see that...much farther OTS than 0z.  0z was an impressive look.  18z yesterday was pretty far OTS. Euro ensembles look better than the Op, but still not great for us.  Basically a Miller-B scenario at our latitude and fairly far OTS.  

Do you and some other meteorologists feel that the neutral ENSO state is keeping us locked into this "meh" pattern?

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Do you and some other meteorologists feel that the neutral ENSO state is keeping us locked into this "meh" pattern?

I think zwyts has described the ENSO problems affecting us quite well.  We needed the Nino to peak more strongly over the summer and into fall.  It just went right back to neutral.  So the southern stream was never able to get going and we're still stuck in a more Nina-ish pattern.  

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Just having the trough deeper doesn't necessarily mean it's better.  It's still a fish.  

Wasn't really talking about the depth of the trough. I think many times the models overplay that and wouldn't be surprised to see them draw back a little on that as we get closer. I was referring more to the fact that the trough is a little sharper and not as broad with what looks to be slightly better heights building in under the 50/50. All in all I am just looking for some possible signs towards a solution that brings it up the coast but I do agree at this time they look more like fish storms which makes the 00Z result even more surprising.

 

Edit: Of course thinking about it for a moment these things I am seeing might be more a function of the 6 hour lag between frames.

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