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Medium/Long Range Discussion Part 4


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The 12z Euro shows one more specimen at the end of the run that may turn out interesting around like the 24th...however after that, well that is quite the Alaskan low it has developed by day 10.

I've been worried about late Feb for a while especially if the MJO is into the warm phases by then. But there are opportunities before it potentially happens so might as well try to cash in.

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You're a LR guru OHweather. You anticipating a Morch?

No...but we won't be cold straight through till April...I was thinking a week long or so warmup around the beginning of March and a return to normal to possibly below during the second week of the month...as of a few days ago. Haven't looked closely since then.

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Not sure how anyone can expect an exact repeat...

 

Yea, lets repeat and completely wipe out the fruit crop.  Chances are if we do get another Morch, April will be less forgiving than last year for people south of I-94.  The Illinois and Indiana people will finally get their snowstorm sometime in April.  6" and a hard freeze after a week in the 70s and 80s.  Just wait and watch.

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Skilling just posted an image of the 240hr ECMWF on Facebook. What a weenie.

 

one of my friends and one of the best forecasters I know actually got into it with him yesterday on fb over skilling putting so much stake into a 192hr GFS op prog. Both weren't backing down defending their sides.

 

But doing that is stupid and now he is just playing to the crowd when a model shows a storm in the LR.

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DVN....surprisingly not from Nichols

 

NEXT WEEK...PNA/NAO/AO ALL TRENDING NEGATIVE WHICH WILL FAVOR
SEVERAL PROGRESSIVE TROUGHS MOVING OUT OF THE PACIFIC AND ACROSS THE
COUNTRY. COLDER TEMPERATURES WILL ALSO BE IN PLACE WHICH WILL FAVOR
ACCUMULATING SNOW IN THIS ACTIVE PATTERN. THE FIRST STORM SYSTEM
WILL ARRIVE EARLY NEXT WEEK BUT THE EXACT TRACK/TIMING IS STILL
UNCERTAIN. IF THE CURRENT ECMWF/GFS RUNS ARE CORRECT THEN OUR SE
HALF WOULD RECEIVE ACCUMULATING SNOW MONDAY NIGHT. HOWEVER...AMOUNT
AND TIMING OF PHASING WILL DETERMINE IF THIS SYSTEM TRACKS FARTHER
NORTH THAN CURRENTLY DEPICTED. FOR NOW WILL HAVE LIKELY POPS ON
MONDAY NIGHT FOR SNOW.

ECMWF/GFS REMARKABLY SIMILAR IN BRINGING A SIGNIFICANT SNOW STORM TO
MUCH OF THE MIDWEST INCLUDING THE ENTIRE DVN CWA ABOUT
THURSDAY/FRIDAY FEBRUARY 21/22. THIS LOCKED AND ACTIVE PATTERN
SUGGESTS THE POTENTIAL FOR MIDWEST SNOWSTORMS ARRIVING ABOUT EVERY 3
DAYS GOING THROUGH THE LAST WEEK OF FEBRUARY. STAY TUNED.  
 
 

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Would be nice to see. Skilling has been hyping back loaded winter here for weeks.

 

I think I heard Joe say he pulled stats on slow winters that turn themselves around?

 

Definitely agree that this is turning out to be backloaded for this area.

 

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With regards to last Morch. I highly doubt anyone of us will see another month like that in our lifetimes in the Great Lakes region. We just happen to fall into a stagnant period last March and we happen to be on the warm end of things (i.e. super ridge).

 

A typical warm up in March around here is 4-7 days of temps in the 50s and 60s, then back to reality with another snow system, or at least a period of cold rainy weather with east winds everyday!

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March 2011 was colder than normal. March 2010 & 2012 were warm. Interesting to see the cold miser calling for morch (another new term that has already gotten annoying) when the cfs calls for a normal to cold march.

Bastardi is getting ridiculous. Just last week he tweeted that the end game of this winter looked like a blend of 2003, 2007 and 2011. Now he's calling for a March torch??

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one of my friends and one of the best forecasters I know actually got into it with him yesterday on fb over skilling putting so much stake into a 192hr GFS op prog. Both weren't backing down defending their sides.

But doing that is stupid and now he is just playing to the crowd when a model shows a storm in the LR.

He tried to save himself with some cautionary comments, but then shot another blank by mentioning GHD and Hurricane Sandy.

 

BTW, your friend is right and it's a valid point.

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By the way...We have been in an active pattern since December.

Hard to argue with that. The boring stretches have been there but that is not out of the ordinary. The problem for many of us has been that the bigger activity has not come at the same time when it's been cold enough to snow.

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Hard to argue with that. The boring stretches have been there but that is not out of the ordinary. The problem for many of us has been that the bigger activity has not come at the same time when it's been cold enough to snow.

 

 

Yep, a couple epic rainstorms and some near misses northwest and slightly wider misses east.

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