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Medium/Long Range Discussion Part 4


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During just taking my dump I was thinking to myself you're talking to brick walls here.   And then I read these new post when I got back that you just want it to be cold lol.. 

 

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By March 7th the +PNA starts to relax the EPO is only slightly negative except for the Euro, and by then the NAO is starting to rise after tanking. All those things combined would spell a warming compared to the first week of March. I am not saying we are going to shooting way above average immediately but the signals are there that after March 7th we will start a warming trend.

 

What is suggesting that though? You gotta look beyond the models. Look up some historical references if need be.

 

 

Whatever Harry, we will see what happens by mid March.

 

Yes we will. Again i am not saying what you are suggesting is impossible. I KNOW better. Issue is you have not given some good reasoning for why it will happen as you suggest. Try looking at it from beyond a model standpoint. Start with the global pattern and go from there.

 

Thing is the Pac Jet has a huge influence on the pattern in the lower 48. We saw that last winter when it came crashing into the west  coast of North America. THAT will keep the cold air intrusions at bay outside of AK. Without that it becomes much harder to keep the cold air out of the country. When the pac jet is weaker it is easier influenced by other things thus tends to be diverted alot more easier.

 

Reason i posted the euro was to show how easily the models can change in the extended. I NEVER said that is what will happen. Try reading that post again.

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What is suggesting that though? You gotta look beyond the models. Look up some historical references if need be.

 

 

 

Yes we will. Again i am not saying what you are suggesting is impossible. I KNOW better. Issue is you have not given some good reasoning for why it will happen as you suggest. Try looking at it from beyond a model standpoint. Start with the global pattern and go from there.

 

Thing is the Pac Jet has a huge influence on the pattern in the lower 48. We saw that last winter when it came crashing into the west  coast of North America. THAT will keep the cold air intrusions at bay outside of AK. Without that it becomes much harder to keep the cold air out of the country. When the pac jet is weaker it is easier influenced by other things thus tends to be diverted alot more easier.

 

Reason i posted the euro was to show how easily the models can change in the extended. I NEVER said that is what will happen. Try reading that post again.

You mean the Pac Jet that is shown to crash into the NW US around March 5th, and has been shown to do this for days now? It is going to flood the US with Pacific air.  Oh and yes you didn't say that it would happen but you are speaking as if it should happen. I gave my reasoning via the teleconnections and the MJO moving into phase 6 at the same time, you are just choosing not to agree with it. That is fine by me, I'll let time dictate who is correct then.

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You mean the Pac Jet that is shown to crash into the NW US around March 5th, and has been shown to do this for days now? It is going to flood the US with Pacific air.  Oh and yes you didn't say that it would happen but you are speaking as if it should happen. I gave my reasoning via the teleconnections and the MJO moving into phase 6 at the same time, you are just choosing not to agree with it. That is fine by me, I'll let time dictate who is correct then.

 

Still missing it. It has to do with the STRENGTH of the PAC jet.. Yes it can still come ashore ( and can even be temporarily strengthened by other forces )  but again if it is a overall weaker PAC jet then the chances are it gets diverted again.  Yeah we will see i suppose.

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Still missing it. It has to do with the STRENGTH of the PAC jet.. Yes it can still come ashore ( and can even be temporarily strengthened by other forces )  but again if it is a overall weaker PAC jet then the chances are it gets diverted again.  Yeah we will see i suppose.

 

No I understand that the strength matters, I just don't expect it to be weak.

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I'd love some of this.. I've really missed my favorite month to ice fish these past 2 morches.  Warm up the last ten days of March would be fine with me.    It could stay below normal until june for all I care though.

 

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That would be brutal. My only interest in that would be seeing the possible records that might fall with that. Won't get any LES here with a northerly/nne flow like that. :scooter:

 

Personally i haven't cared for a while what the weather does. Just no repeat of last Morch considering the implications such patterns have further out and thus see the rest of spring ( crop failures galore ) and then the torrid summer. My recent interest was wanting to see some snow/moisture in the central/southern Plains to help the drought and perhaps help keep the death ridge in check come summer. If it snows alot great if not oh well. Just give me some action ( severe/winter/heavy rains etc ) is all i ask for. Dryness/drought sucks balls.

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I'd love some of this.. I've really missed my favorite month to ice fish these past 2 morches.  Warm up the last ten days of March would be fine with me.    It could stay below normal until june for all I care though.

 

 

That would be brutal. My only interest in that would be seeing the possible records that might fall with that. Won't get any LES here with a northerly/nne flow like that. :scooter:

 

Personally i haven't cared for a while what the weather does. Just no repeat of last Morch considering the implications such patterns have further out and thus see the rest of spring ( crop failures galore ) and then the torrid summer. My recent interest was wanting to see some snow/moisture in the central/southern Plains to help the drought and perhaps help keep the death ridge in check come summer. If it snows alot great if not oh well. Just give me some action ( severe/winter/heavy rains etc ) is all i ask for. Dryness/drought sucks balls.

My interest is for an extended cold season for the north, to make up for the slow start.

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The CFS weeklies are colder than normal through Mar 16, and then warm up the following week (just slightly mild in the north, more pronounced in the OV). However at this time Canada now looks colder. Not saying we are seeing a March 1960 redux, but those early spring/Morch calls we saw much of the winter, not to mention the 10-day stretch of record warmth LC was touting Feb 15-25 is nothing but a big old L-O-L.

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The CFS weeklies are colder than normal through Mar 16, and then warm up the following week (just slightly mild in the north, more pronounced in the OV). However at this time Canada now looks colder. Not saying we are seeing a March 1960 redux, but those early spring/Morch calls we saw much of the winter, not to mention the 10-day stretch of record warmth LC was touting Feb 15-25 is nothing but a big old L-O-L.

Some people like to troll with Morch calls, they know the cold/snow misers get pissed.

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The CFS weeklies are colder than normal through Mar 16, and then warm up the following week (just slightly mild in the north, more pronounced in the OV). However at this time Canada now looks colder. Not saying we are seeing a March 1960 redux, but those early spring/Morch calls we saw much of the winter, not to mention the 10-day stretch of record warmth LC was touting Feb 15-25 is nothing but a big old L-O-L.

 

FWIW.. euro weeklies has it below normal till the 18th and then normal from the 18th till the 25th.

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I don't know why anybody would ever use truncated, heck post 168 hour data. Useless. The -EPO of the truncated ECMWF is real? How about the GFS's return to the -WPO vortex which really messes up its truncation. No use to fight over it.

 

The models don't have the computing power to deal with all the particulers of upstream blocking, its resolvement and where we go from there. They look like drunks in the pub, slobbering all over each other with no real purpose.

 

I think the -WPO vortex is the biggest threat. It could moderate temps, starting the 2nd week of March more than thought and moderation in March is far to warm for wintery weather(considering most of our highs by then are in the 40's outside the far nothern areas).

You discounting a wintry scenario? Im shocked!

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One thing seems pretty likely...this is a pretty hostile looking pattern for getting any severe weather threat into this subforum in the next 10-14 days at least. Repeated eastern troughing is not good, and there would probably be moisture return issues even if we do get something to cut.

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One thing seems pretty likely...this is a pretty hostile looking pattern for getting any severe weather threat into this subforum in the next 10-14 days at least. Repeated eastern troughing is not good, and there would probably be moisture return issues even if we do get something to cut.

 

Yeah I'm not liking the prospects, looks to be quiet for a decent period of time here.

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Much of the sub may be suffering from a hangover from tracking this latest storm for what seemed like an eternity.  However, there looks to be another decent little system for early next week.  Tonight's GFS looks pretty good for Iowa and much of IL.  GEM looking like it will be nice as well.  As a few others pointed out earlier, the 12z Euro looked good too.

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Looks like severe potential for somewhere across the CONUS should increase by around the 10th and after, with the AO/NAO predicted to rise near neutral (and even positive in some cases) and the PNA forecasted to drop significantly across the model suite, this combination tends to be favorable, particularly the sharp drop in the PNA.

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