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February 13/14 VD Storm discussion


Bostonseminole

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Because the one model that we all love, shows nothing.

we love it alright!

 

but honestly, weve seen it adjust north hundreds of miles with a  system this year and besides it's stellar performance on sandy and the blizzard, its fallible 

 

so w/ that being said....when other models are on the fence wrt advisory...one sref shift south (by models which have been awful this year) doesn't indicate a reversing of a north trend, i'd give the euro 2 more runs .

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Because the one model that we all love, shows nothing.

 

Yeah but NCEP essentially tossed it and went with a 0z UK/ 0z GFS combination.  That's kind of telling.  Euro will be north eventually.  Still maybe just a scraper but the Euro has been the slowest at times in these borderline situations to move things north.  Remember in Phil's 3.75" snow deal it was still a HUGE miss at 60 hours (like 500 miles) when the American guidance had come around.

 

EDIT:  I have no opinion on this storm other than to not ignore the NAM in favor of the Euro or any other model at this stage.  They've all had their moments both doing well and stinking this winter.

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Yeah but NCEP essentially tossed it and went with a 0z UK/ 0z GFS combination.  That's kind of telling.  Euro will be north eventually.  Still maybe just a scraper but the Euro has been the slowest at times in these borderline situations to move things north.  Remember in Phil's 3.75" snow deal it was still a HUGE miss at 60 hours (like 500 miles) when the American guidance had come around.

 

Don't disagree, and I do think the Euro SW bias is in play here to some degree.  The longer it takes to eject that s/w out of the SW, the easier it will be for the kicker to suppress this thing.  I think a 1-3" deal is what we see.

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So at this point it's everything except the EURO gives me advisory snow(NAM more), and the EURO flurries/nothing. Not diso****ing the EURO, but if it dosen't shift north at 12z, might start to discount it. Not tossing it, but aside from huge events, it hasn't been perfect, and when everything is against one model it's hard to take the one.

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Don't disagree, and I do think the Euro SW bias is in play here to some degree.  The longer it takes to eject that s/w out of the SW, the easier it will be for the kicker to suppress this thing.  I think a 1-3" deal is what we see.

Safe starting point and I agree.

 

I think the Euro is pretty wrong here.  This has been an issue with it all winter and why it has suppressed the crap out of many of these systems.  I posted the maps in response to someone saying it did well in the Phil/Ackwaves system.  It was putrid, the last model aside of the NOGAPS to come north.  My guess is you're right it's the s/w thing in the sw which was supposed to be "fixed" but maybe not.

 

GGEM has been excellent in these types of events.  I'll take the GGEM/GFS/NAM/UK compromise and go with 1-3 for now too.

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