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February 13-14th Potential Winter Storm Threat Discussion


Zir0b

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The 12z NAM Bufkit has up to  -25 VV in the snow growth zone over LGA and ISP.

Tells me there would be a very nice band likely stretching across NYC and Long Island for a few hours and we would rack up totals quickly. The low should enhance as it hits the Atlantic, and for people who stay all snow there could be over 6".

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Not with a 996 low bombing out over the Delmarva. :rolleyes: Everything about that rgem run is off. Low placement and strength should indicate much better precip shield and more snow on the nw side. Toss it.

Wrong, and it's not smart to make assumptions like this. The mid level flow is pressing down on the storm from the northwest, over Southesst Canada. The fast flow there is pushing the best forcing for precipitation to the southeast of where it usually would be. It makes plenty of sense.

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Wrong, and it's not smart to make assumptions like this. The mid level flow is pressing down on the storm from the northwest, over Southesst Canada. The fast flow there is pushing the best forcing for precipitation to the southeast of where it usually would be. It makes plenty of sense.

GFS is showing something similar, John, but the best forcing and VVs are well nw of the low. I don't agree that the northern stream confluence is strong enough to be blowing out the best precip this far SE and I see it continuing to correct in future runs. I'm sure you would also agree that the rgem was way too warm and it's an extreme outlier in that regard right now.

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GFS is showing something similar, John, but the best forcing and VVs are well nw of the low. I don't agree that the northern stream confluence is strong enough to be blowing out the best precip this far SE and I see it continuing to correct in future runs. I'm sure you would also agree that the rgem was way too warm and it's an extreme outlier in that regard right now.

If this comes in entirely at night, precip shouldn't have a problem all being snow. Southern NJ may have more of an issue but heavy rates should work in their favor. Overall positive trends thus far.

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SEPA will have rain issues, its going to be in the mid 40s there tomorrow

Places like York , Harrisburg and Landcaster start around 40 and with those rates .50 - .75 . they get to 32 fast and u will see the 4- 5 in that area , more so than up here .

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Upton's map from 10am this morning has 3" up to Putnam Co NY

Wednesday NightSnow likely, mainly between 10pm and 3am. Cloudy, with a low around 28. Light east wind becoming north 8 to 13 mph in the evening. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?x=242&y=171&site=okx&zmx=1&zmy=1&map_x=242&map_y=171

 

Upton for Pine Valley, NY (Eastern Suffolk). Interesting 

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LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY/...

SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE WILL HELP TO STRENGTHEN SURFACE LOW OVER

THE GULF STATES TUESDAY NIGHT...WHICH WILL HEAD NORTHEAST AND PUSH

OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT. MODELS ARE IN GOOD

AGREEMENT WITH THIS LOW TRACKING WELL SOUTH AND EAST OF LONG ISLAND.

ALL THE OPERATIONAL MODELS TAKE THE LOW EAST OF THE 40/70

BENCHMARK...AS WELL AS 8 OF THE 12 GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS. TREND IS TO

TAKE THE STORM A BIT FARTHER OUT TO SEA. ON AVERAGE...TOOK ABOUT 1-2

TENTHS OFF PREVIOUS FORECAST QPF...TRANSLATING TO ABOUT 1-2 INCHES

LESS IN SNOWFALL FOR THE EVENT. SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 1-3 INCHES FOR

THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...2-4 INCHES ACROSS NORTHEAST NJ AND MUCH OF

NEW YORK CITY...AND 3-5 INCHES ACROSS LONG ISLAND AND CT. THIS FALLS

IN LINE WITH THE GFS ENSEMBLE AVERAGE QPF AND SNOWFALL...AS WELL AS

THE NCEP SREF MEANS. THUS...THIS IS LOOKING MORE LIKE AN ADVISORY

LEVEL STORM RATHER THAN WARNING LEVEL CRITERIA.

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LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY/... SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE WILL HELP TO STRENGTHEN SURFACE LOW OVER THE GULF STATES TUESDAY NIGHT...WHICH WILL HEAD NORTHEAST AND PUSH OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT. MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THIS LOW TRACKING WELL SOUTH AND EAST OF LONG ISLAND. ALL THE OPERATIONAL MODELS TAKE THE LOW EAST OF THE 40/70 BENCHMARK...AS WELL AS 8 OF THE 12 GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS. TREND IS TO TAKE THE STORM A BIT FARTHER OUT TO SEA. ON AVERAGE...TOOK ABOUT 1-2 TENTHS OFF PREVIOUS FORECAST QPF...TRANSLATING TO ABOUT 1-2 INCHES LESS IN SNOWFALL FOR THE EVENT. SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 1-3 INCHES FOR THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...2-4 INCHES ACROSS NORTHEAST NJ AND MUCH OF NEW YORK CITY...AND 3-5 INCHES ACROSS LONG ISLAND AND CT. THIS FALLS IN LINE WITH THE GFS ENSEMBLE AVERAGE QPF AND SNOWFALL...AS WELL AS THE NCEP SREF MEANS. THUS...THIS IS LOOKING MORE LIKE AN ADVISORY LEVEL STORM RATHER THAN WARNING LEVEL CRITERIA.

This is from overnight, the latest trend on the GFS might make them a bit more confident.

 

Is the GGEM out yet or the UKIE out yet?

 

-skisheep

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