Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    17,609
    Total Members
    7,904
    Most Online
    NH8550
    Newest Member
    NH8550
    Joined

blizzard of 2013 discussion


forkyfork

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 1.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

I agree with your thoughts to a tee.

As do I. I'm just saying to those who live run to run, that models are just complex algorithms set up to potentially show what physics in the atmosphere will do. Each model has its biases and its strengths. That is why with this type of storm especially, models need to be looked at very closely to see why they forecast what they do. This is why a forecaster needs extensive training and to be very knowledgeable in both physics and mathematics. Mainly this is why forecasters make forecasts and not computer models.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1056 PM EST THU FEB 07 2013

VALID FEB 08/0000 UTC THRU FEB 11/1200 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR
INGEST...


00Z NAM EVALUATION

THE 00Z NAM IS TOO WARM INVOF H85 ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 3C ACROSS
THE INTERIOR OF THE MID-ATLANTIC FROM CENTRAL VA NEWD INTO E CNTRL
PA AS SUGGEST BY THE 00Z KIAD RAOB.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1056 PM EST THU FEB 07 2013

VALID FEB 08/0000 UTC THRU FEB 11/1200 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR
INGEST...


00Z NAM EVALUATION

THE 00Z NAM IS TOO WARM INVOF H85 ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 3C ACROSS
THE INTERIOR OF THE MID-ATLANTIC FROM CENTRAL VA NEWD INTO E CNTRL
PA AS SUGGEST BY THE 00Z KIAD RAOB.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

1056 PM EST THU FEB 07 2013

VALID FEB 08/0000 UTC THRU FEB 11/1200 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR

INGEST...

00Z NAM EVALUATION

THE 00Z NAM IS TOO WARM INVOF H85 ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 3C ACROSS

THE INTERIOR OF THE MID-ATLANTIC FROM CENTRAL VA NEWD INTO E CNTRL

PA AS SUGGEST BY THE 00Z KIAD RAOB.

 

 

Well thats huge bc the sounds over NYC were +2-3C 850-950mb..........    

Link to comment
Share on other sites

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

1056 PM EST THU FEB 07 2013

VALID FEB 08/0000 UTC THRU FEB 11/1200 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR

INGEST...

00Z NAM EVALUATION

THE 00Z NAM IS TOO WARM INVOF H85 ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 3C ACROSS

THE INTERIOR OF THE MID-ATLANTIC FROM CENTRAL VA NEWD INTO E CNTRL

PA AS SUGGEST BY THE 00Z KIAD RAOB.

 

 
The NAM being too warm for those area would throw it off that much??? I don't understand how.. That just explains why it was so warm.. Any thoughts?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD

1056 PM EST THU FEB 07 2013

VALID FEB 08/0000 UTC THRU FEB 11/1200 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO (ADMNFD) FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR

INGEST...

00Z NAM EVALUATION

THE 00Z NAM IS TOO WARM INVOF H85 ON THE ORDER OF 2 TO 3C ACROSS

THE INTERIOR OF THE MID-ATLANTIC FROM CENTRAL VA NEWD INTO E CNTRL

PA AS SUGGEST BY THE 00Z KIAD RAOB.

 

May the weenies rejoice. Holy crap.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 
The NAM being too warm for those area would throw it off that much??? I don't understand how.. That just explains why it was so warm.. Any thoughts?

 

 

Higher temperatures = higher heights = more amplified = further west = positive feedback towards even more warmth than the initial 2-3 C error would indicate. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone also very very impressed with the radar down south ?   This thing is rich with moisture and I am starting to really believe that 2"+ total liquid is very possible over the area.   You don't see a juicy system like this BEFORE the phase too often.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Higher temperatures = higher heights = more amplified = further west = positive feedback towards even more warmth than the initial 2-3 C error would indicate. 

If you ask me it's a sign that the NAM is too far west. GFS is probably too far east as well. Ride the middle aka the Euro

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Higher temperatures = higher heights = more amplified = further west = positive feedback towards even more warmth than the initial 2-3 C error would indicate. 

 

So what we should take away is that the NAM should have been a bit more east/lower qpf with the correction for the 2-3C error? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...