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OBSERVATIONS ONLY : "The Storm They Couldn't Punt" 2/8-2/9


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Yes, that was a likely possibility. As the northern s/w dives into the Mid Atlantic, it will begin to transport some easterly momentum to the southern wave in a few hours. We have to watch closely then how much of a push eastward will occur (say starting 3-4 PM) because it will make a difference for northern areas / NE areas.

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Yes, that was a likely possibility. As the northern s/w dives into the Mid Atlantic, it will begin to transport some easterly momentum to the southern wave in a few hours. We have to watch closely then how much of a push eastward will occur (say starting 3-4 PM) because it will make a difference for northern areas / NE areas.

 

I'm assuming less easterly movement the better as whole for the region?

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I'm assuming less easterly movement the better as whole for the region?

 

Yes. It will increase the overall amount of southern s/w moisture that gets involved, which cannot be a bad thing once the temps cool sufficiently. I do believe there will be banding structures with the northern s/w and deformation zone later, so additional moisture will help reduce the amount of people who get screwed (e.g. miss bands).

There is a give and take here between the southern wave's internal dynamics / convection which wants to act to reduce forward speed and then the increasing easterly push from the arrival of the northern wave.

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30.8 in snowing lightly. It's been snowing lightly all morning. The radar for the pocs does not look too promising to me ATTM. At one point last night we were sitting at 10-16" by Saturday morning. We are slowly joggng down with forecast totals and are now at 6-12". I am beginning to wonder it I am too far west for that amount. My cncern is the transfer of energy between the low to the west and coastal log which might leave NEPA in the screw zone.

 

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Yes. It will increase the overall amount of southern s/w moisture that gets involved, which cannot be a bad thing once the temps cool sufficiently. I do believe there will be banding structures with the northern s/w and deformation zone later, so additional moisture will help reduce the amount of people who get screwed (e.g. miss bands).

There is a give and take here between the southern wave's internal dynamics / convection which wants to act to reduce forward speed and then the increasing easterly push from the arrival of the northern wave.

Wouldn't a closed off low, which bri posted resist the easterly push more than an open s/w?

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Yes. It will increase the overall amount of southern s/w moisture that gets involved, which cannot be a bad thing once the temps cool sufficiently. I do believe there will be banding structures with the northern s/w and deformation zone later, so additional moisture will help reduce the amount of people who get screwed (e.g. miss bands).

There is a give and take here between the southern wave's internal dynamics / convection which wants to act to reduce forward speed and then the increasing easterly push from the arrival of the northern wave.

 

So it will slow down or speed up? I get that it will kick east a bit but shouldn't it slow down once it gets captured? I'm confused.

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  Yes. It will increase the overall amount of southern s/w moisture that gets involved, which cannot be a bad thing once the temps cool sufficiently. I do believe there will be banding structures with the northern s/w and deformation zone later, so additional moisture will help reduce the amount of people who get screwed (e.g. miss bands).There is a give and take here between the southern wave's internal dynamics / convection which wants to act to reduce forward speed and then the increasing easterly push from the arrival of the northern wave.

Sounds promising.

Any thoughts on the image i posted above? Could just be temporary i suppose, but I'm sure it helps western zones? Didn't see any of the recent models show it closing off that early, unless it was between frames..

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Wouldn't a closed off low, which bri posted resist the easterly push more than an open s/w?

 

It helps a little bit.

 

So it will slow down or speed up? I get that it will kick east a bit but shouldn't it slow down once it gets captured? I'm confused.

You're confused because you probably are under the impression that the capture happens near us. These systems don't truly phase until this time tomorrow off the NE coast. As the western wave dives in, it will initially nudge the coastal low more seaward before they begin to wrap up. The amount of nudging will determine what happens across our area basically. Will it be widespread mod-heavy snow from PHL north or will it be broken bands of heavier snow embedded with lighter snow? This nudge could make the difference for many in the PHL-NYC corridor.

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LOL oh and since this is an obs thread, heard from someone that there is some sleet/rain mix going on in Princeton. I know at this stage, our warmth aloft is maximizing, so it may not mean much.

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