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February 8th Potential Bomb Part II


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It's holding onto the northern feature too long. It's the only model doing it. All week the nam featured northern branch clippers 48 hrs out having 2 to 3 inch amounts on them. 4x in 7 days. And they all weakened 24 hrs , but one. Mayb ths time right. And all the global models and other short range models are wrong. I doubt it. It's weak recognizing ths southern branch feature. It means biz

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

 

Time to retire the nam...horrible model.

 

 

Toss it, has no support from anything else and it's the NAM

 

-skisheep

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

If it has this solution tomorrow morning then it's time to worry. This has been beaten to death already. Nam is worthless at this range

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

 

NAM is a horrible model and once again people are using it for the wrong thing.

 

The NAM is NOT the model to use for synoptic evolution of a storm like phases, timing of northern stream vs. southern stream, and closing of upper-level features. The NAM is a mesoscale model meant for mesocale features such as: convection, radiational cooling, topographic enhancement of precipitation, etc. You've got to understand the weapons in your arsenal as a meteorologist. The NAM was never made for forecasting storms 3 days out that involve complicated phasing and closing off of mid-level lows. 

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NAM is a horrible model and once again people are using it for the wrong thing.

The NAM is NOT the model to use for synoptic evolution of a storm like phases, timing of northern stream vs. southern stream, and closing of upper-level features. The NAM is a mesoscale model meant for mesocale features such as: convection, radiational cooling, topographic enhancement of precipitation, etc. You've got to understand the weapons in your arsenal as a meteorologist. The NAM was never made for forecasting storms 3 days out that involve complicated phasing and closing off of mid-level lows.

Nice. Definitely true.

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It's holding onto the northern feature too long. It's the only model doing it. All week the nam featured northern branch clippers 48 hrs out having 2 to 3 inch amounts on them. 4x in 7 days. And they all weakened 24 hrs , but one. Mayb ths time right. And all the global models and other short range models are wrong. I doubt it. It's weak recognizing ths southern branch feature. It means biz

We have to see how the other models do tonight to see if they handle the vorts differently or if it's just the NAM tossing its usual nonsense. If we see more separation like the NAM shows, it could still go wrong for most of us. That said, NAM was a lot better than last run and it wouldn't take much to make it a lot better. Maybe it's finally catching onto consensus.

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

exactly - its a pretty high resolution model....the temp profiles here are scaring me.

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exactly - its a pretty high resolution model....the temp profiles here are scaring me.

ace its pretty simple. No ccb development for us, game over. Temp profiles aren't going to matter when vv's are through the rough and you have a strengthening 980mb low near the bm. They will however matter with a late phase or light precip.

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

I really don't trust the nam, however you have a point, if the 0z gfs were to show this same scenario I wonder how long it would take for the gfs sucks, toss it, and garbage forecasting system chants to start....
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It can be pretty much tossed because it's a major outlier at this point. It's also trending towards the other guidance.

 

Its not that far off the Euro or GFS at all, its basically now a 50-75 mile miss for the 5 boroughs, the slightest shift west of that exact track and we're slammed.  This is not a bad run at all, we could have seen much worse.

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We have to see how the other models do tonight to see if they handle the vorts differently or if it's just the NAM tossing its usual nonsense. If we see more separation like the NAM shows, it could still go wrong for most of us. That said, NAM was a lot better than last run and it wouldn't take much to make it a lot better. Maybe it's finally catching onto consensus.

The 5 consecutive euro operational runs and it's ensembles hasn't convinced you yet ?

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Regardless of the models track record/credibility, can someone please explain why they believe the NAM is so much slower with the evolution of this storm vs. the GFS? Thanks.

 

The NAM is ALWAYS slow on everything, even in the short range its too slow moving storm systems, this is my theory as to why its such a poor model overall beyond 36-48 hours, its problems with speed ultimately really catch up with it, the reason the NAM may be semi screwing us is its too slow advancing the primary S and E across the ERN OH VALLEY and or too slow pushing the southern system up the coast.

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Please people, stop acting like this when the models don't agree with your snow hopes. There's still a chance the NAM is onto something the global models arent.

Snow hopes? The model is wrong 90% of the time. The changes it made were drastically better and moved closer to the other guidance.

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Its not that far off the Euro or GFS at all, its basically now a 50-75 mile miss for the 5 boroughs, the slightest shift west of that exact track and we're slammed.  This is not a bad run at all, we could have seen much worse.

 

 

Agreed. I was quite encouraged by this run. It looks exponentially better at 500mb. 

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the issue I've been noticing which goes along with what many of you are saying, is the slowness of the NAM. What I'm noticing is that with it being so slow, the northern stream races out not only torching the bl,  but as it clears the mid levels dry out and at least for our area the precip shield on the west side, for a strengthening storm is kinda whack. I presume if the evolution was faster that precip shield would be much more robust.

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