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Feb 8th-9th Potential Significant Coastal Storm


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Was it just SE of the BM before...so essentially held course but is better now due to a stall...

 

Historic...

 

Zeus - you on the train yet?

 

It takes a further east path to get there.  The change doesn't really effect "us" but as Ryan mentions further shifts would have it stalling further NE. ( I shouldn't say that, IMO it'd be colder for the coast with that track)

 

It's been a progressive winter.

 

Right now, epic and it stalls almost dead in the 0z spot.

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Yeah, and it should be made clear that this system really isn't a very good analog for 1978, though the ending impact in snow could rival that if the current modeling is good.  One difference about the 1978 scenario is that the NAO teleconnector was dropping, and that allowed the stall to linger for a couple of reasons (for the general reader):

 

1) storms that "stall" because of capture, will tend to compensate/off-set for the background movement in the flow, because the sfc cyclone moves backward relative to the movement of the deep layer vortex, as it is being ingested into the central axis of the rotation.   This is registered as a slowling, or even stall ..however brief.

 

2) in 1978, that took place with panache, but also ... the large scale flow was entering a blocking phase, placing a negative teleconnection right where the storm was passing through. 

 

The two circumstances together really caused a protracted event. ...and the impact on the ocean/shore thus suffered.   

 

In this case, we have more number 1, than number 2 in play. 

Concur completely!!!  And agree with scenario #1.

 

--Turtle

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Elaborate? Having the usual problem of scrolling through multiple "east" posts. Sounds like it's east initially but then stalls and then maybe even does a little Fujiwara?

 

 

Late capture, Got tugged back, It actually got a little further north before it phased and closed off which really helps us here, 2.0"+ qpf

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Now I can go public with the shift east...Ahhhhh!

 

Not really a shift east in the end though, it just hooks out further east before getting captured.  That's the remaining fear from guys like Scott/Ryan, it could hook later.

 

Every piece of guidance agrees right now, even the JMA (which did shift south from last run)

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oh garsh your guys ...  this storm is so utterly massive on that 72 hour panel that a shift of 50 or whatever miles means almost nothing... I mean, if we want to quibble over whether Ryan gets 20" or 12" ...or 8 or 10", okay - but that is tedious and boring compared to the big picture here.

 

Although Ryan, how much hate mail do you field when you are off by 6"  - haha.   

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