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Feb Magic or Voodoo Hex? Obs and Banter


Bob Chill

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Just read this on twitter from Bastardi.

 

Joe Bastardi@BigJoeBastardi

JMA/UKMET has the east coast snowstorm on weekend.. CMON ecmwf, will ya. Fla freeze threat too,but the bigger the ne storm, less the chc

 

Seriously?  Anyone see the JMA or UKMET to confirm?

OK I know the "Hate on JB" thing is so 5 years ago but... excuse me this rant

 

Ever since he moved to weatherbell I get the feeling he is shading his forecasts to be tailered more to what will keep his suscribers happy and not what is the most accurate possible forecast.  He has become more vague, and no longer "takes out the trash" when he is wrong.  He often makes a concrete forecast, then when its way off simply moves on as if nothing happened.  Worse, he has become a master of spin.  His winter forecast this year has been a total disaster for much of the nation and yet he refuses to stop defending it.  He throws out obscure data from places no one cares about to justify why he had the right idea.  Now, as its become way too late to save his seasonal forecast, he simply has stopped talking about it.  He ignores that he needs massive snowfall in the mid atlantic to save him and acts like a blizzard in New England is some huge victory for him.  Finally, worst of all, he has begun to manipulate data.  He will do things like using observed weather from one station to verify a forecast made for another location.  For instance using the final snowfall recorded at IAD to verify his forecast for DCA.  To be fair to him, he does seem better for the PA and NYC north area but he is awful for the mid atlantic.  The only question left for me with him is..is he really that ignorant of our region and climo, or is he that dishonest. 

 

rant over, my appologies

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OK I know the "Hate on JB" thing is so 5 years ago but... excuse me this rant

 

Ever since he moved to weatherbell I get the feeling he is shading his forecasts to be tailered more to what will keep his suscribers happy and not what is the most accurate possible forecast.  He has become more vague, and no longer "takes out the trash" when he is wrong.  He often makes a concrete forecast, then when its way off simply moves on as if nothing happened.  Worse, he has become a master of spin.  His winter forecast this year has been a total disaster for much of the nation and yet he refuses to stop defending it.  He throws out obscure data from places no one cares about to justify why he had the right idea.  Now, as its become way too late to save his seasonal forecast, he simply has stopped talking about it.  He ignores that he needs massive snowfall in the mid atlantic to save him and acts like a blizzard in New England is some huge victory for him.  Finally, worst of all, he has begun to manipulate data.  He will do things like using observed weather from one station to verify a forecast made for another location.  For instance using the final snowfall recorded at IAD to verify his forecast for DCA.  To be fair to him, he does seem better for the PA and NYC north area but he is awful for the mid atlantic.  The only question left for me with him is..is he really that ignorant of our region and climo, or is he that dishonest. 

 

rant over, my appologies

 
Well, duh.  He still crows about Sandy as if it's his greatest victory, even though he had it going up the Delaware Bay into Philly (to verify his "Philadelphia Story") until VERY late in the game.  As for "verifying" things with isolated random locations , he does the exact same thing with his global warming rants.  "Record Low in McMurdo, Antarctica this morning" or some crap like that with "where's the media reporting on THAT".  As if cold weather in some place on the planet means AGW is false.  He's completely unscientific.  
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OK I know the "Hate on JB" thing is so 5 years ago but... excuse me this rant

 

Ever since he moved to weatherbell I get the feeling he is shading his forecasts to be tailered more to what will keep his suscribers happy and not what is the most accurate possible forecast.  He has become more vague, and no longer "takes out the trash" when he is wrong.  He often makes a concrete forecast, then when its way off simply moves on as if nothing happened.  Worse, he has become a master of spin.  His winter forecast this year has been a total disaster for much of the nation and yet he refuses to stop defending it.  He throws out obscure data from places no one cares about to justify why he had the right idea.  Now, as its become way too late to save his seasonal forecast, he simply has stopped talking about it.  He ignores that he needs massive snowfall in the mid atlantic to save him and acts like a blizzard in New England is some huge victory for him.  Finally, worst of all, he has begun to manipulate data.  He will do things like using observed weather from one station to verify a forecast made for another location.  For instance using the final snowfall recorded at IAD to verify his forecast for DCA.  To be fair to him, he does seem better for the PA and NYC north area but he is awful for the mid atlantic.  The only question left for me with him is..is he really that ignorant of our region and climo, or is he that dishonest. 

 

rant over, my appologies

I agree with 100% of what you say.  I myself only use JB for entertainment purposes these days.  However, way back in the Accuweather days when he was free to watch, I believe he was a much better forecaster.  Just in my humble opinion of course. 

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OK I know the "Hate on JB" thing is so 5 years ago but... excuse me this rant

 

Ever since he moved to weatherbell I get the feeling he is shading his forecasts to be tailered more to what will keep his suscribers happy and not what is the most accurate possible forecast.  He has become more vague, and no longer "takes out the trash" when he is wrong.  He often makes a concrete forecast, then when its way off simply moves on as if nothing happened.  Worse, he has become a master of spin.  His winter forecast this year has been a total disaster for much of the nation and yet he refuses to stop defending it.  He throws out obscure data from places no one cares about to justify why he had the right idea.  Now, as its become way too late to save his seasonal forecast, he simply has stopped talking about it.  He ignores that he needs massive snowfall in the mid atlantic to save him and acts like a blizzard in New England is some huge victory for him.  Finally, worst of all, he has begun to manipulate data.  He will do things like using observed weather from one station to verify a forecast made for another location.  For instance using the final snowfall recorded at IAD to verify his forecast for DCA.  To be fair to him, he does seem better for the PA and NYC north area but he is awful for the mid atlantic.  The only question left for me with him is..is he really that ignorant of our region and climo, or is he that dishonest. 

 

rant over, my appologies

He did the same at in-accuwx ---- He needs money!

 

This is all in the wrong thread!

 

Sorry for joining the comment chain Mods!

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He did the same at in-accuwx ---- He needs money!

 

This is all in the wrong thread!

 

Sorry for joining the comment chain Mods!

I'm not sure about that. If I had to guess I would say he is paid quite well at Weatherbell. He's on the road alot and does quite a few national media spots. I may be way off but he could be paid higher than 80 percent of all meteorologists.

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Despites Ians pessimism its actually very nice out. I saw 25 inches in Boston this weekend but there is something nice about snow where you live.

 

any sort of snow is fun at home. if you drive 20+ minutes to see snow that amounts to almost nothing you might have a problem.

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Does this apply to thunderstorms?  :P

 

yes tho you're more likely to bust on a good storm day than a good snow day. today's snow is analogous to a thundershower, people just dont have the need to say "this is the heaviest rain i've seen this year".

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I wouldnt drive to see a dusting either. I was just messing w H2o. So close yet so far. Its just funny to me that you would drop your eternal pessimism into the convo....thats all.

 

that's cute. i've been on the boards a long time.. only so much fun in going all in on d10 etc. think i mostly verified again so oh well.

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being real > pessimism

i downplayed a bit too much on pm update this afternoon... what i get for actually doing work all day instead of half work and half wx watching. :P 

 

but nothing really surprising imo. little things like banding are always tricky. fine line between one or two setting up over some towns and no one getting them. if no one gets them there is no accum anywhere. even a mod band over dc didn't do much other than mix us like 75/25... i know people act like we're in amazing snow climo still but it's late season these days... yeah we have great potential for a higher end event but we also are running into the usual issues/pluses of elevation, being N&W etc.

 

im happy people are happy with their snow. outside our recent snow hell.. still kind of a sucky event around here. maybe a little better than that up balti way.

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