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Feb 8th-9th Do We Finally Get A Coastal?


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Just remember that the Euro ensembles have generally supported the OP run when it has had its 96 hour fantasy storms this year. I'd still view the solution with a lot of skepticism.

 

But the fact that it did bump west from 00z at least gives it a little bit more credibility...but not enough to outweigh the lack of support from other guidance sans Ukie.

 

And really the only reason I give it hope this go around, even though it sounds like I have not learned my lesson from this winter, is the southern stream interaction. As others have pointed out, the southern stream interaction would likely be handled better on the european versus the other guidance. I'm not exactly expecting a full phase here, or one that is in time for you guys even, but some influence/additional moisture at least should be added into this system hopefully from the southern wave...it sucks the temps along the coast are questionable, but inland could have a nice event out of it still even without the phase.

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And really the only reason I give it hope this go around, even though it sounds like I have not learned my lesson from this winter, is the southern stream interaction. As others have pointed out, the southern stream interaction would likely be handled better on the european versus the other guidance. I'm not exactly expecting a full phase here, or one that is in time for you guys even, but some influence/additional moisture at least should be added into this system hopefully from the southern wave...it sucks the temps along the coast are questionable, but inland could have a nice event out of it still even without the phase.

 

 

Can't happen, Its going to be PC and 32F friday

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I would feel a little better if at least one single GEFS member had this type of Euro solution, but they don't. I would think if this is going to end up more amped, we will have to start seeing some changes from other guidance at 00z tonight. Otherwise I expect the Euro to ditch the idea.

yeah i know what you mean. it would be nice if we could see the individual euro ens members to get a better feel for how they are handling it. 

 

one of things that has me a bit intrigued is a feel like there's room for the southern stream energy to gain some latitude. it may just end up a late phase though - like hundreds of miles out to sea.

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18z GFS is even more annoying flat for Friday's impulse.  I mean it almost doesn't even have one there - it really is that extremely different.  

 

You know, when I started that other thread about the 6th of February, the GFS was doing something very similar to what the Euro is, now.  If you go look at that thread start, the pattern looks similar.  

 

I wonder if we merely in the midst of a pattern where they take turns over-developing phantoms.   

 

 

Edit:  aw shucks - you can't.  The images are updating in real-time so those charts are history.  

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Its a little better with the low, but that's a stretch. If anything it induces the onshore weenie snowiest.

 

 

Yeah it gets a low going down to our south which increases the gradient between that and the potent high to the north and we get an onshore flow...with also some leftover moisutre from the northern stream system.

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You look at this map at 78 hours and it looks like pre PDII, strong high and just need something out of the southern stream to run into it.

 

That's funny, I was just thinking about that panel and how it doesn't look too different at the surface, compared to the 96 hour 12z Euro - it's aloft that bares no resemblance.  

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we have a week of off and on light snows/flurries thru fri nite most likely,

 

and then at least we have two solid cutters to start the more active period on gfs.

 

  hour 384 has -24C 850's over mass so that's pretty impressive cold for feb 18.  but anyway this is about the friday deal and that looks very meh. interesting battle going on. Bouchard says the euro's been a little off lately so he's not buying it.

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BOX still not going all in one way or the other... can't blame them:

 

FRIDAY... TRICKY PORTION OF THE FORECAST AS MODELS ARE IN COMPLETE
DISAGREEMENT. NAM/GFS/CANADIAN/GFS ENS ALL SHOW A WEAK WAVE MOVING
ACROSS NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND BRING SOME WINTRY PRECIP ACROSS THE
NORTHERN PORTION OF THE FORECAST. WHILE THE EC BRINGS A STRONG
COASTAL STORM ACROSS THE BENCHMARK...WHICH MAY DROP SEVERAL INCHES
OF SNOW ACROSS THE INTERIOR. FINALLY THE UKMET ALSO SHOWS A COASTAL
STORM YET IT STRENGTHENS THE STORM OUT TO SEA...WHICH HAS BEEN THE
THEME OF THIS WINTER. FOR THE FORECAST DECIDED TO KEEP PREV FORECAST
FOR NOW AS MODELS SPREAD IS LARGE AND FORECASTER CONFIDENCE IS LOW.
HOWEVER THE EC HAS CONTINUED TO SHOW THIS SYSTEM OVER THE PAST FEW
DAYS NOW AND ECEN IS CONSISTENT AS WELL. HOPEFULLY MODELS WILL
UNFOLD OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL RUNS TO GET A GLIMPSE ON WHAT MAY
HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
 

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Noyes is "meh" at this time

For storm/snow lovers, Friday is the next period of interest. Right now, with low predictability, that's all it remains...a period of interest. Snow showers are quite likely, but anything more than that it's too early to say with any amount of confidence. Regardless of what transpires, high predictability/confidence on a great weekend at this early juncture - sunshine.

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