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Feb 8th-9th Do We Finally Get A Coastal?


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NCEP seems to put it about an equal chance...GGEM/UK vs the GFS/Euro

 

THE SECOND SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE (INITIALLY OVER THE PACIFIC) IS
THE MORE IMPORTANT OF THE TWO. THE NAM DEPICTION OF THIS WAVE IS
VERY POOR...AS IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY WEAKER AND MORE DIFFUSE THAN
THE GFS/ECMWF/UKMET AS THE WAVE TRACKS ACROSS NORTHERN MEXICO ON
WEDNESDAY AND INTO THE DEEP SOUTH ON THURSDAY. THE IMPORTANCE OF
THIS WAVE LIES IN ITS POTENTIAL PHASING WITH NRN STREAM ENERGY OFF
THE MID-ATLANTIC COASTLINE ON FRIDAY. BY THIS TIME THE NAM BECOMES
A SIGNIFICANT OUTLIER AS IT ONLY DEPICTS A VERY WEAK UPPER-LEVEL
WAVE AND A SURFACE LOW THAT IS SEVERELY SUPPRESSED RELATIVE TO ALL
OTHER GUIDANCE. THE GFS SOLUTION RESEMBLES THE ECMWF WITH THIS
ENERGY. AS A RESULT...THE GFS/ECMWF/UKMET ALL SPIN UP A SURFACE
LOW OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COASTLINE. THE UKMET AND CMC ARE SOMEWHAT
LESS INTENSE WITH THE NRN STREAM ENERGY...WHICH RESULTS IN A LATER
AND SLIGHTLY FARTHER EAST SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN THE
CONSISTENCY OF THE 12Z ECMWF WITH MAINTAINING AN EARLIER
PHASING...WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A STRONGER SURFACE LOW CLOSER TO
THE COAST...THIS SOLUTION SEEMS TO CARRY ABOUT EQUAL POSSIBILITY
AS THE WEAKER UKMET/CMC SOLUTION
. AT THIS POINT...WILL RECOMMEND A
BLEND OF THE GFS/UKMET/ECMWF WITH THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN.
 

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Well then concerns are warranted, we have less wiggle room than SNE if this tries to slip E.

 

And we'll have the storm surrounded at GYX. Hopefully no yo-yo forecasts from Ekster and I.

 

 

lol, Being out on the fringe has its faults, That is mine as well, Getting far enough north before the ENE shift, That high over Quebec, Is rather stout

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NCEP seems to put it about an equal chance...GGEM/UK vs the GFS/Euro

 

THE SECOND SOUTHERN STREAM WAVE (INITIALLY OVER THE PACIFIC) IS

THE MORE IMPORTANT OF THE TWO. THE NAM DEPICTION OF THIS WAVE IS

VERY POOR...AS IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY WEAKER AND MORE DIFFUSE THAN

THE GFS/ECMWF/UKMET AS THE WAVE TRACKS ACROSS NORTHERN MEXICO ON

WEDNESDAY AND INTO THE DEEP SOUTH ON THURSDAY. THE IMPORTANCE OF

THIS WAVE LIES IN ITS POTENTIAL PHASING WITH NRN STREAM ENERGY OFF

THE MID-ATLANTIC COASTLINE ON FRIDAY. BY THIS TIME THE NAM BECOMES

A SIGNIFICANT OUTLIER AS IT ONLY DEPICTS A VERY WEAK UPPER-LEVEL

WAVE AND A SURFACE LOW THAT IS SEVERELY SUPPRESSED RELATIVE TO ALL

OTHER GUIDANCE. THE GFS SOLUTION RESEMBLES THE ECMWF WITH THIS

ENERGY. AS A RESULT...THE GFS/ECMWF/UKMET ALL SPIN UP A SURFACE

LOW OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COASTLINE. THE UKMET AND CMC ARE SOMEWHAT

LESS INTENSE WITH THE NRN STREAM ENERGY...WHICH RESULTS IN A LATER

AND SLIGHTLY FARTHER EAST SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN THE

CONSISTENCY OF THE 12Z ECMWF WITH MAINTAINING AN EARLIER

PHASING...WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A STRONGER SURFACE LOW CLOSER TO

THE COAST...THIS SOLUTION SEEMS TO CARRY ABOUT EQUAL POSSIBILITY

AS THE WEAKER UKMET/CMC SOLUTION. AT THIS POINT...WILL RECOMMEND A

BLEND OF THE GFS/UKMET/ECMWF WITH THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN.

 

A blend would be plenty nice for many of us.

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From Noyes:

 

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Quite the contrast, EURO has me in 6-12" and GFS 1-3"

Hoping for the former, and although it sounds weenieish I'm inclined to think the EURO might be closer to reality, although with less QPF in the 3"+ zone. This is simply because the EURO has been consistent for 6 runs now, and in a situation like this when it holds something for that long it's pretty rare for it to bust. Would expect the GFS to go colder in the next few runs, but again the EURO could be out to lunch. As weenieish as it sounds, I think the EURO has the right idea here.

 

-skisheep

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Its going to be very difficult for that in this flow. I'd worry more about an escape east.

 

I certainly agree with this post. Now that the models are coming into agreement about the likely southern stream interaction, its really a case of how strong will the 500 hPa low near Greenland be when the phasing occurs. There isn't much room for this system to move northward with a strong 500 hPa low in place. 

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Well guidance isn't backing off yet. As expected NAM is actually coming in a bit colder which speaks to the excellent and fresh cold air source in the HP to our north. 0Z holds, i think it's game on. I won't stay up for the Euro but it's tempting....

Save that for Thursday night...I might stay up then as well...

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