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Feb 8th-9th Do We Finally Get A Coastal?


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I agree that the GFS looks too warm given the high pressure, but it's still a bit of a concern for our neck of the woods.

 

I would love for the Euro to win this one, of course. But it hasn't been my model of choice in a winter where suppression has been the solution that wins out more than not and it's the outlier with its particular solution.

 

Yeah usually we have to deal with those concerns where we live. Either way, since this is kind of a complicated setup (aren't they always)...I'll wait until maybe tomorrow about worrying with the details. Euro was pretty darn cold..even if it were like a 34F snow to start out.

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I would take the nam in heartbeat! All snow nice advisory low end warning.

Agreed something like the NAM is probably what we want down here, goes against the wishes of the greater board since its no KU for them, but a nice snow for us down here, probably the most for MBY out of the Euro/Gfs/Nam. Too bad it's the NAM...

 

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There's a nice dual upper jet structure progged..not perfect but the southern stream puts the general area under the LFQ and the northern stream places NE under the RRQ.

 

 

Yep...the're also some decent ML frontogensis between the high to the north and the general area of low pressure south. You can clearly see even on a NAM solution how the isotherms get more tightly packed over SNE.

 

The combo of all this is probably why that even in a fairly tame looking upper level solution like the NAM, we still see some decent QPF being spit out.

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There's a nice dual upper jet structure progged..not perfect but the southern stream puts the general area under the LFQ and the northern stream places NE under the RRQ.

 

There's a lot of nice stuff. Look at the CCB if you have the ability. I'm not at work, but it's a thing of beauty. Dammit being 4 days out.

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Quick question for mets...or anyone

 

when you look at the say 66hr NAM 500mb vort plot you see this.

 

nam_namer_066_500_vort_ht.gif

 

Then the 06hr precip looks like this 

 

nam_namer_066_precip_p06.gif

 

 

how is there all that precip down south without any + vort?  I guess that confuses me.  Do you just look at different levels of the atmosphere?

 

Anytime you have a trough to the west, you'll have + vorticity advection. It's just that it doesn't show up as yellow or higher because it's weak. Also, there is a front dragging to the southwest that can force lift without much help from aloft. 

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Quick question for mets...or anyone

 

when you look at the say 66hr NAM 500mb vort plot you see this.

 

nam_namer_066_500_vort_ht.gif

 

Then the 06hr precip looks like this 

 

nam_namer_066_precip_p06.gif

 

 

how is there all that precip down south without any + vort?  I guess that confuses me.  Do you just look at different levels of the atmosphere?

 

I was just having this conversation with JustinWX on facebook.  The NCEP graphics are terrible. When looking at the College of DuPage models page, at hour 27 I can see the Southern stream energy (at 500) moving through Southern Texas.  While the NCEP NAM only has a vort max in Mexico.  

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Thanks man exactly what I was looking for.

 

All those shortwaves due, are to help force air to rise. Ahead of it is where the air can diverge and form a void. The air aloft also cools as it approaches. This void needs to be filled due to the laws of atmospheric physics. That means air must rise. You could argue air can sink from aloft to fill the void, but it doesn't work like that and much, much, more of the atmosphere exists below 500mb than above it.

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All those shortwaves do, are to help force air to rise. Ahead of it is where the air can diverge and form a void. The air aloft also cools as it approaches. This void needs to be filled due to the laws of atmospheric physics. That means air must rise. You could argue air can sink from aloft to fill the void, but it doesn't work like that and much, much, more of the atmosphere exists below 500mb than above it.

 

awesome dude, appreciate it.

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Today's runs are the runs where we've seen models lose systems most of the year. IE, the step down from 96 to 72 hours out, todays 12z and 0z runs. Let's see what happens.

6z GEFS still had the low pretty far offshore.

It's not like we've seen any great regime change from our suppression pattern so optimism with heavy caution flags is the safe route this far out.

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lol @chris signature

 

messenger good point about models losing storms in this time frame.  you know if the euro doesn't phase today we would all be left holding tickets at the station, shaking our heads.

 

as of 10 am , i lookd at a lot of bos mets twitter pages, and not many have bought into euro , i think if 12z suite does what last nite's 0z did they will buy tickets as well.

 

these 12z runs are pretty big imo

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lol @chris signature

 

messenger good point about models losing storms in this time frame.  you know if the euro doesn't phase today we would all be left holding tickets at the station, shaking our heads.

 

as of 10 am , i lookd at a lot of bos mets twitter pages, and not many have bought into euro , i think if 12z suite does what last nite's 0z did they will buy tickets as well.

 

these 12z runs are pretty big imo

They haven't bought tickets because their forecasts go out to 2.5 million people.  Our forecasts go to a bunch of weenies in here.  But secretly I bet they are waiting in line to buy a ticket.

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