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Feb 8th-9th Do We Finally Get A Coastal?


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That was the perfect track and evolution on the euro last night for mby, why can't this be closer to go time lol. One again in the bullseye at 84ish hours on the euro has meant we get burned this year. Hope the southern stream involvement means we buck the trend this time.

I'm keeping expectations very low. Plus with the kfs abruptly jumping on board, I fear the fail trend starts at 12Z. (please be wrong)

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euro is very impressive. that's a classic crushing for a good chunk of SNE...that run looks the most impressive yet. don't have to use your imagination too much to know what that would look like. 

 

nice HP placement on most guidance too and actually comes in freshly on wednesday night / thursday which is a good sign. 

 

what's nice to see is even the guidance that's more interested in making the northern stream the main show are fairly robust with the moisture fields so odds for a decent event somewhere - whether that's SNE, NNE or both - are good i think. 

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euro is very impressive. that's a classic crushing for a good chunk of SNE...that run looks the most impressive yet. don't have to use your imagination too much to know what that would look like.

nice HP placement on most guidance too and actually comes in freshly on wednesday night / thursday which is a good sign.

what's nice to see is even the guidance that's more interested in making the northern stream the main show are fairly robust with the moisture fields so odds for a decent event somewhere - whether that's SNE, NNE or both - are good i think.

Just wish it was Thursday morning and not Tuesday. 48 hours a lot can change
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The storm has such a comma head which is why the euro is so juicy. Still have to be careful to fall in love here. We have 4 days still.

 

 

Certainlhy nice to wake up to this. 

 

I daresay that I kind of like where it's sitting right now.  Still a ton of time for this to shift--perhaps significantly.  Now is when we can get into some serious 'intra-region' claims of wins and losses as any runs with SE jackpots will minimize accums in western NE and the converse could likely bring p-type issues for many areas.

 

I'm supposed to be driving up to Jackson on Friday night--might be a decent weekend to do so.

 

At least we have something fun to watch--and hope for.

 

15.3/11 at the Pit.

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Did people really think I was going with a miss.. Have i ever done that? Has anyone ever known me to downplay an event? 

 

Still some really awful comments overnight..but it is what it is.

 

Let's hope the trends continue today. If this comes any farther west mixing becomes an issue for some

Come on you love the attention.

 

What are you humping this morning?  I wanted to hump HPC...they say they are going with the Euro for the entire mid range but then don't mention that it shows a bomb near the benchmark.

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BTV with a nice discussion...

 

ECMWF HAS A DOUBLE
BARREL LOW PRES STRUCTURE WITH 1ST LOW PRES ASSOCIATED WITH
NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY ACRS THE OHIO VALLEY...WHILE THE 2ND LOW
DEVELOPS NEAR THE HATTERAS COAST LINE ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTHERN
STREAM ENERGY ON FRIDAY. THIS LOW PRES QUICKLY DEEPENS TO 987MB NEAR
THE 40/70 BENCHMARK BY 12Z SAT...WITH WEAK INVERTED TROF FEATURE
ACRS OUR CWA. MODELS SHOW GOOD DEEP 850 TO 500MB RH
PROFILES...FAVORABLE 25H JET DYNAMICS...STRONG Q-VECTOR
CONVERGENCE...AND SOME 850 TO 700MB FGEN FORCING ACRS OUR CWA.
THIS COMBINED WITH GOOD RH IN THE FAVORABLE SNOW GROWTH
REGION...WL RESULT IN A MODERATE SNOW EVENT. THINKING ADVISORY/LOW
END WARNING TYPE EVENT FOR OUR CWA. NAM/GFS/GEM MODEL QPF IS BTWN
0.25 AND 0.50"...WHILE ECMWF CONTS TO BE ON THE HIGH SIDE BTWN 0.50
AND 0.75"...AND IS MUCH SLOWER/DEEPER WITH TROF AMPLIFICATION AND
COASTAL LOW PRES DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN...FAST WESTERLY FLW AND NO
CLOSED 5/7H CIRCULATION FEEL THE ECMWF IS A BIT OVERDONE WITH QPF
AMOUNTS AND ASSOCIATED SNOWFALL. WL TRIM BACK QPF AND MENTION
VALUES BTWN 0.35 AND 0.55...BUT GIVEN FAVORABLE SNOW
GROWTH...EXPECT RATIO`S AROUND 15 TO 1...RESULTING IN EARLY
ESTIMATES FOR SNOW OF 4 TO 8 INCHES. WL MENTION LIKELY POPS FRIDAY
INTO FRIDAY NIGHT AND HIGHLIGHT POTENTIAL FOR ACCUMULATING
SNOWFALL IN HWO.

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BTV with a nice discussion...

 

ECMWF HAS A DOUBLE

BARREL LOW PRES STRUCTURE WITH 1ST LOW PRES ASSOCIATED WITH

NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY ACRS THE OHIO VALLEY...WHILE THE 2ND LOW

DEVELOPS NEAR THE HATTERAS COAST LINE ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTHERN

STREAM ENERGY ON FRIDAY. THIS LOW PRES QUICKLY DEEPENS TO 987MB NEAR

THE 40/70 BENCHMARK BY 12Z SAT...WITH WEAK INVERTED TROF FEATURE

ACRS OUR CWA. MODELS SHOW GOOD DEEP 850 TO 500MB RH

PROFILES...FAVORABLE 25H JET DYNAMICS...STRONG Q-VECTOR

CONVERGENCE...AND SOME 850 TO 700MB FGEN FORCING ACRS OUR CWA.

THIS COMBINED WITH GOOD RH IN THE FAVORABLE SNOW GROWTH

REGION...WL RESULT IN A MODERATE SNOW EVENT. THINKING ADVISORY/LOW

END WARNING TYPE EVENT FOR OUR CWA. NAM/GFS/GEM MODEL QPF IS BTWN

0.25 AND 0.50"...WHILE ECMWF CONTS TO BE ON THE HIGH SIDE BTWN 0.50

AND 0.75"...AND IS MUCH SLOWER/DEEPER WITH TROF AMPLIFICATION AND

COASTAL LOW PRES DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN...FAST WESTERLY FLW AND NO

CLOSED 5/7H CIRCULATION FEEL THE ECMWF IS A BIT OVERDONE WITH QPF

AMOUNTS AND ASSOCIATED SNOWFALL. WL TRIM BACK QPF AND MENTION

VALUES BTWN 0.35 AND 0.55...BUT GIVEN FAVORABLE SNOW

GROWTH...EXPECT RATIO`S AROUND 15 TO 1...RESULTING IN EARLY

ESTIMATES FOR SNOW OF 4 TO 8 INCHES. WL MENTION LIKELY POPS FRIDAY

INTO FRIDAY NIGHT AND HIGHLIGHT POTENTIAL FOR ACCUMULATING

SNOWFALL IN HWO.

Did BTV happen to use reverse psychology as well?

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Did BTV happen to use reverse psychology as well?

 

LOL.  Albany's AFD brings a smile to the faces in GC.

 

ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE QPF IS INCREASING ON MUCH OF THE GUIDANCE. THE CAN GGEM...NAM...AND GFS ARE INDICATING A QUARTER TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH. THE NAM AND CAN GGEM WOULD HAVE SOME OF THE OVER RUNNING PCPN MOVING IN MUCH EARLIER THAN THE GFS AND ECMWF. THERMAL PROFILES AND CRITICAL PARTIAL THICKNESSES INDICATE MAINLY ZONE AWAY FROM THE MID HUDSON VALLEY...AND SRN LITCHFIELD COUNTY CT. SOME RAIN MAY IN BRIEFLY ON FRI IN THE SRN TIER. THE LATEST 00Z GEFS PLUME FOR ALBANY INDICATES A DECENT CLUSTER OF MEMBERS BETWEEN 0.2-0.40 INCHES OF LIQUID EQUIVALENT WITH A TRIO BETWEEN 0.5-0.6 INCHES...AND TWO OUTLIERS AROUND AN INCH. THERE CONTINUES TO BE A LOT OF SPREAD...BUT THE GENERAL TRENDS WARRANT A MENTION IN THE HAZARDOUS WX OUTLOOK FOR AT LEAST A MODERATE SNOWFALL FOR POTENTIALLY ADVISORY OR LOW END WARNING CRITERIA. THIS SYSTEM WILL HAVE TO BE WATCHED CAREFULLY...IF THE LAST 6 RUNS OF THE ECMWF VERIFY...AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT...WE COULD BE LOOKING AT SIZABLE SIGNIFICANT STORM FOR PARTS OF ERN NY AND WRN NEW ENGLAND. FRIDAY NIGHT...THE SNOWFALL WILL TAPER TO SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS OVER THE ERN HALF OF THE FCST AREA...AS THE COASTAL WAVE MOVES WELL EAST OF CAPE COD INTO THE NRN ATLANTIC.

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lol, Glad we are not in the bulls eye right now, Usually makes for some disappointment come verification time, The ggem was 973 mb south of NS

 

Well looking at everything but QPF, it seems rather encouraging for pretty much everyone from NY state into NNE and SNE. 

 

I really like the strength of that northern stream stuff at this point, so even if the coastal goes too far out to sea, we are probably still looking at Advisory level snow anyway. 

 

We are still eons away in model time and a lot will happen over the next 48 hours... who knows, maybe it goes back to that Lewiston, ME crusher from a few days ago when Oceanstwx posted that ECM map.

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Well looking at everything but QPF, it seems rather encouraging for pretty much everyone from NY state into NNE and SNE. 

 

I really like the strength of that northern stream stuff at this point, so even if the coastal goes too far out to sea, we are probably still looking at Advisory level snow anyway. 

 

We are still eons away in model time and a lot will happen over the next 48 hours... who knows, maybe it goes back to that Lewiston, ME crusher from a few days ago when Oceanstwx posted that ECM map.

 

 

Don't even care if i jackpot, Just want enough to ride on, I don't have that fetish as most have on here, The northern s/w has been there all along, I was pretty confident we were going to see snow anyways, The only questions to be answered was do we get a coastal and how much

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Well we finally have other guidance caving to the Euro...the biggest question will be if the Euro caves back at all, but even if it does, that would still result in a moderate event for SNE I think like the GFS is showing. Euro ensembles were very impressive.

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