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This is so annoying.

 

What sucks is that this colder air will cause SST's to be cooler than normal for a while which may keep the rest of our spring and even our summer cooler than what it would be if the water wasn't so cold. It will also cause our spring warm spells to be cooler than inland places.

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What sucks is that this colder air will cause SST's to be cooler than normal for a while which may keep the rest of our spring and even our summer cooler than what it would be if the water wasn't so cold. It will also cause our spring warm spells to be cooler than inland places.

 

Ha, uh no.  SSTs have been running well above normal, and I have no doubt that when the warmth returns they will heat up in a hurry.

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Ha, uh no.  SSTs have been running well above normal, and I have no doubt that when the warmth returns they will heat up in a hurry.

 

Well I was comparing it to last year. We caught a break last year which made our spring and summer warm and humid out here. 2010 and 2011 both had similar water temps on this date and had water temps between 70-75F during the summer even though they were very hot summers. Last year, with such a warm winter, we had water temps in the 75-80F range during the summer even though the summer wasn't as warm as 2010 or 2011.

 

EDIT: The CFSv2 forecasts have below average water temps starting from April until August. SST's are actually running normal atm.

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Today

NYC -11

Lga -10

JFK -11

Bdr -10

Ewr -12

 

Today - 1yr

 

NYC +12 (64/46)

LGA +12 (63/46)

JFK +8 (55/45, gotta love the sea breeze)

BDR +10 (59/41)

EWR +13 (66/46)

 

PHL +12 (65/47)

BWI +13 (64/49)

DCA +13 (68/52)

 

Now for the completely insane ones:

ORD +30 (81/57)

MSN +34 (81/57)- Madison, WI

IND +27 (80/60)

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Well I was comparing it to last year. We caught a break last year which made our spring and summer warm and humid out here. 2010 and 2011 both had similar water temps on this date and had water temps between 70-75F during the summer even though they were very hot summers. Last year, with such a warm winter, we had water temps in the 75-80F range during the summer even though the summer wasn't as warm as 2010 or 2011.

 

EDIT: The CFSv2 forecasts have below average water temps starting from now until August. SST's are actually running normal atm.

2010 was a blowtorch from early April to mid October.

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Today - 1yr

NYC +12 (64/46)

LGA +12 (63/46)

JFK +8 (55/45, gotta love the sea breeze)

BDR +10 (59/41)

EWR +13 (66/46)

PHL +12 (65/47)

BWI +13 (64/49)

DCA +13 (68/52)

Now for the completely insane ones:

ORD +30 (81/57)

MSN +34 (81/57)- Madison, WI

IND +27 (80/60)

What a difference a year makes. You will not be seeing positive departures like that for a while

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What a difference a year makes. You will not be seeing positive departures like that for a while

I don't think we'll ever see the departures in either direction like they saw in the midwest last March.  That's gotta be like 8 or 9 standard deviations from the mean.

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OK, I've caved.  Y'all win, let's do this.  Unc, do you have the top 5 snowiest March's ever?

 

Central Park just beautiful tonight.. so peaceful and quiet.

March extremes...

March extremes...

warmest.......coldest.........wettest.........driest.........snowiest...least snowiest

51.1 1945...30.0 1888...10.69" 2010...0.80" 2006...30.5" 1896.....0 1878

50.9 2012...30.5 1872...10.54" 1983...0.90" 1885...25.5" 1916.....0 1894

49.8 1946...30.6 1885...10.41" 1980...0.94" 1866...22.3" 1888.....0 1903

48.4 1921...32.3 1887.....8.79" 1876...0.96" 2012...21.5" 1914.....0 2012

48.2 2010...32.4 1916.....8.76" 1953...1.02" 1910...21.1" 1956.....T 2008

47.8 1903...32.6 1896.....7.72" 2001...1.19" 1981...19.2" 1941.....T 2002

47.7 2000...32.7 1883.....7.70" 1912...1.25" 1905...18.5" 1960.....T 1995

46.9 1979...33.3 1960.....7.41" 1977...1.26" 1995...17.4" 1967.....T 1988

46.8 1977...33.4 1900.....6.64" 1993...1.33" 1927...17.0" 1890.....T 1986

46.4 1973...34.1 1875.....6.47" 1913...1.35" 1894...15.9" 1958.....T 2010*

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March extremes...

March extremes...

warmest.......coldest.........wettest.........driest.........snowiest...least snowiest

51.1 1945...30.0 1888...10.69" 2010...0.80" 2006...30.5" 1896.....0 1878

50.9 2012...30.5 1872...10.54" 1983...0.90" 1885...25.5" 1916.....0 1894

49.8 1946...30.6 1885...10.41" 1980...0.94" 1866...22.3" 1888.....0 1903

48.4 1921...32.3 1887.....8.79" 1876...0.96" 2012...21.5" 1914.....0 2012

48.2 2010...32.4 1916.....8.76" 1953...1.02" 1910...21.1" 1956.....T 2008

47.8 1903...32.6 1896.....7.72" 2001...1.19" 1981...19.2" 1941.....T 2002

47.7 2000...32.7 1883.....7.70" 1912...1.25" 1905...18.5" 1960.....T 1995

46.9 1979...33.3 1960.....7.41" 1977...1.26" 1995...17.4" 1967.....T 1988

46.8 1977...33.4 1900.....6.64" 1993...1.33" 1927...17.0" 1890.....T 1986

46.4 1973...34.1 1875.....6.47" 1913...1.35" 1894...15.9" 1958.....T 2010*

 

Wow, we have some work to do to get on that list.  Thanks!

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Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13
As of 19 March 2013 / 1:00 AM ET

Bridgeport: 64.3"

NWS Upton: 51.7"
Islip: 46.5"

Newark: 29.5"

NYC Central Park: 26.1"
LaGuardia: 22.2"
JFK: 17.6"

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Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13

As of 19 March 2013 / 1:00 AM ET

Bridgeport: 61.3" (plus yesterday's total / pending)

NWS Upton: 51.7"

Islip: 46.5"

Newark: 29.3"

NYC Central Park: 26.1"

LaGuardia: 22.2"

JFK: 17.6"

I would sleep better at night if we got the park and ewr into the 30's
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Its amazing how some non-weather enthusiasts seem shocked that it can still be cold or even snow this time of year. I heard several times yesterday people say "i cant belive its snowing on march 18th" etc.  Guess our recent warm marchs have built the expectation that spring starts March 1 around here. 

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Its amazing how some non-weather enthusiasts seem shocked that it can still be cold or even snow this time of year. I heard several times yesterday people say "i cant belive its snowing on march 18th" etc.  Guess our recent warm marchs have built the expectation that spring starts March 1 around here. 

I am a weenie, still hard to believe looking out my window, snow cover. Sure we know it can happen, still hard to believe this year started(snow) Nov. 6 and still going strong. Go figure.

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Its amazing how some non-weather enthusiasts seem shocked that it can still be cold or even snow this time of year. I heard several times yesterday people say "i cant belive its snowing on march 18th" etc.  Guess our recent warm marchs have built the expectation that spring starts March 1 around here. 

the last three years had temps in the 70's around the 19th...they will really be shocked if April continues this pattern...it hasn't snowed in April since 2006...We could see a measurable snowfall this year in April...here are the biggest snowstorms for April...1982 was the only blizzard type storm of the bunch...

10.2" 3-4th 1915

10.0" 13th 1875

9.6" 6th 1982

8.5" 1st 1924

6.5" 8-9th 1917

6.5" 5th 1944

6.4" 6-7th 1938

5.0" 9th 1907

4.2" 8th 1956

4.0" 7th 2003

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