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Give it up, weenie. Mark my words: The NYC Metro Area will not see another moderate, major or severe winter weather event (i.e. ice, snow, etc.) until December 2013. We just didn't have an El Nino this year like we thought we would. NYC has been the screw zone. Upstate NY, Connecticut, Long Island all had great winters. NYC hasn't. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. But for the sake of heating bills, I'm ready for 60s and sunshine.

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Give it up, weenie. Mark my words: The NYC Metro Area will not see another moderate, major or severe winter weather event (i.e. ice, snow, etc.) until December 2013. We just didn't have an El Nino this year like we thought we would. NYC has been the screw zone. Upstate NY, Connecticut, Long Island all had great winters. NYC hasn't. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. But for the sake of heating bills, I'm ready for 60s and sunshine.

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Give it up, weenie. Mark my words: The NYC Metro Area will not see another moderate, major or severe winter weather event (i.e. ice, snow, etc.) until December 2013. We just didn't have an El Nino this year like we thought we would. NYC has been the screw zone. Upstate NY, Connecticut, Long Island all had great winters. NYC hasn't. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. But for the sake of heating bills, I'm ready for 60s and sunshine.

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GGEM has a decent snow event next Thursday.

12z Euro has the shortwave a bit south but still gets some light snow into our area.

 

For those who think winter is over, it's never over with a west based block.

it is literally amazing how you can almost count on snow when that block shows up.

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GGEM has a decent snow event next Thursday.

12z Euro has the shortwave a bit south but still gets some light snow into our area.

 

For those who think winter is over, it's never over with a west based block.

 

 

And the projected pattern right after this looks fantastic on the euro and euro ensembles.

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it was 71 degrees this date last yr. At this rate spring weather is postponed to the last wk of march AT BEST. I think we continue into a wintry pattern through the first part of april too. Maybe another late season wet snow bomb a la 2003? HM likes the idea of continued blocking/cold and snow threats with a winter storm chance in april. Wild stuff. This could end up being the first nov-april winter since 1996

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Realistically what's the earliest possible date to see snow falling, what's the earliest to see snow accumulation.

And then what's the latest possible date to see snow falling and latest possible date of snow accumulation around the NYC metro.

Realistically early october is the EARLIEST snow has fallen in NYC. It can obviously accumulate too, especially by mid to late month where our accumulating october snows have occurred. 

 

Snow has fallen in May (1977) so it goes to show its possible, albeit very rare. Its likely impossible for snow to accumulate after late april. I think our latest accumulating snow is sometime in the last 10 days of april?

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My statement reflects my opinion, which is an un-educated guess based upon this winter and previous winters which also sucked, that KNYC will NOT, I repeat NOT see another snow event with 4"+ until Autumn 2013. Whether that happens in October, November or December, I don't know anything about the upcoming season to even make a guess.

 

But as far as winter is concerned, the snow is over.

 

I do see a great deal of solid evidence, however; that we're gonna be cold - which is annoying.

Bump...sorry I couldn't resist

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Realistically early october is the EARLIEST snow has fallen in NYC. It can obviously accumulate too, especially by mid to late month where our accumulating october snows have occurred. 

 

Snow has fallen in May (1977) so it goes to show its possible, albeit very rare. Its likely impossible for snow to accumulate after late april. I think our latest accumulating snow is sometime in the last 10 days of april?

 

April 20, 1983 was the latest I've seen measurable snow in this area when I lived in Nassau County...around 3 inches fell from about 4 AM - 8 AM that morning before changing to rain.  It was a great storm for the high spots in North Jersey, the Poconos, & Catskills, but *not* most of New England because of the far west track taken by the surface low.

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after seeing accumulating snow in late October and early November I think we could see a snowstorm in late April...late April 1986 had a wet snowfall that accumulated in some spots....I remember the May 1977 event...It was a very wet snow and rain mix...But it did look like it was snowing...That after the earliest 90 degree temperature on record and 90 again a week later...

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Can't wait for William to post updated snowfall reports for the airports

 

I think these totals are right Tim...this is one day that if the guys who do the obs are slightly off...wouldn't get too upset about it as it was not easy to get it down to the tenth of an inch with the melting and such...

 

Storm Total:

 

Bridgeport: 10.0"

Newark: 6.7"

Islip: 4.2"

NYC Central Park: 4.0"

LaGuardia: 3.1"

Kennedy: 3.0"

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Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13
As of 8 March 2013 / 5:30 PM ET

Bridgeport: 61.3"

NWS Upton: 49.4"
Islip: 45.2"

Newark: 27.4"

NYC Central Park: 22.8"
LaGuardia: 19.3"
JFK: 16.2"

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Give it up, weenie. Mark my words: The NYC Metro Area will not see another moderate, major or severe winter weather event (i.e. ice, snow, etc.) until December 2013. We just didn't have an El Nino this year like we thought we would. NYC has been the screw zone. Upstate NY, Connecticut, Long Island all had great winters. NYC hasn't. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. But for the sake of heating bills, I'm ready for 60s and sunshine.

 

 

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year....low AO date....monthly AO
-6.365... 3/05/1970...-2.084...cold month...4" snow 3/29...
-4.417... 3/04/1962...-2.848...Ash Wed. storm 3/6...a little snow...
-4.318... 3/04/1981...-1.645...8" of snow 3/5...
-4.202... 3/24/2001...-1.687...a little snow on 3/26...
-4.030... 3/11/1958...-2.522...4" snow 3/14...12" snow 3/21...
-3.856... 3/10/1999...-1.492...4" of snow 3/15...
-3.822... 3/21/2006...-1.604...cold but no snow...
-3.805... 3/04/1952...-1.859...4" on 3/2...
-3.767... 3/05/2013...............5" on 3/8...
-3.766... 3/04/1957...-2.013...3" of snow 3/1-2...
-3.758... 3/21/1955...-1.568...3" of snow 3/18...
-3.706... 3/13/1984...-2.386...7" of snow 3/9...
-3.469... 3/19/1969...-1.582...3" of snow 3/7...
-3.381... 3/09/1991...-0.527...cold spell with no snow...
-3.320... 3/31/1996...-1.483...4" of snow 3/29...
-3.254... 3/01/1965...-0.905...2" of snow 3/21...
-3.217... 3/04/1978... 0.502...5" on 3/3...only month with a plus ao average...
-3.200... 3/10/1960...-1.625...14" on 3/3...
-3.200... 3/21/1987...-1.746...2" 3/13...
-3.188... 3/17/1980...-1.433...5" of snow 3/13-14...
-3.032... 3/16/1979...-0.814...cold spell with only flurries...
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the AO bottomed out at -3.767 on 3/5...We are getting our significant snowfall now...it's possible we could see another wintry event before it's over...

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Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13

As of 8 March 2013 / 5:30 PM ET

Bridgeport: 61.3"

NWS Upton: 49.2"

Islip: 45.2"

Newark: 27.4"

NYC Central Park: 22.8"

LaGuardia: 19.3"

JFK: 16.2"

Thank you William. This is what I look forward too after a storm. Great to see ewr above avg

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Number of days minimum temperature 32 F or less

Oct 1, 2012 - Mar 8, 2013

 

NWS Upton: 99

NYC LaGuardia: 42

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Yesterday was the 8th anniversary of the march 8 2005 'mini blizzard" - a storm where the March "sun angle" did not effect. I remember that one vividly as i was driving down route 83 around 3:30-4:30, had to pull over multiple times to clear the ice on my windshield wipers and remembering every time getting out of the car, the wind was howling, the snow blowing. The precipitation started as rain and in the 40's, only to end up in the teens by the end of the night

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