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the best analog for this winter out of the bunch talked about before December is 1951-52 so far...1952 had a snowy first half of March...this winter will end up averging 36.9...1951-52 averged 37.0...Snowfall so far is 18.8"...1951-52 had 19.7"...Coldest temp was 11 on 1/23/13...1951-52 had there lowest temp on 1/30...eight degrees...I'm hoping march 2013 is as snowy as 1952 but a certain song comes to mind when I think of snow in the long range this year...

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As We Hit The Three-Quarter Pole

Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13
As of 28 February 2013 / 7:00 PM ET

Bridgeport: 51.3"
NWS Upton: 43.0"
Islip: 39.5"

Newark: 20.7"

NYC Central Park: 18.8"
LaGuardia: 16.1"
JFK: 13.2"

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As We Hit The Three-Quarter Pole

Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13

As of 28 February 2013 / 7:00 PM ET

Bridgeport: 51.3"

NWS Upton: 43.0"

Islip: 39.5"

Newark: 20.7"

NYC Central Park: 18.8"

LaGuardia: 16.1"

JFK: 13.2"

William...is there a record for how much snow fell in Upton in 1951-52?...I curious if eastern long island had more snow the NYC...thanks...

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18.8" with 10.0" in March 1952.

 

http://www.bnl.gov/weather/4cast/MonthlySnowfall.htm

eastern long island did better in February and March...The mid December 51 event was a mixed bag for the city so it figures eastern parts were a little warmer due to a warmer Ocean...The end of January 52 event was a rain to snow event...NYC did better than most areas with its 5.5"...

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Above the 600' elevation contour...March is not much less snowy than February in northern New Jersey...Charlotteburg Reservoir...straddling the Morris / Passaic lines and perched at 760 feet a.s.l....still averages roughly 10" of snow in March.

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As We Hit The Three-Quarter Pole

Seasonal Snowfall 2012-13

As of 28 February 2013 / 7:00 PM ET

Bridgeport: 51.3"

NWS Upton: 43.0"

Islip: 39.5"

Newark: 20.7"

NYC Central Park: 18.8"

LaGuardia: 16.1"

JFK: 13.2"

Shaft City for NYC and western LI this year. I'm at about 23" for the season now.

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Shaft City for NYC and western LI this year. I'm at about 23" for the season now.

 

 

Interestingly...Nassau County had far more snow than Upton with the November storm...with some spots reporting up to 8.5".  Upton measured just 1.1" in the November storm.

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comparing Brookhaven's top ten snow seasons to NYC...

year Brookhaven NYC

1995-96...90.8"...75.6"...both all time highs...

2004-05...78.5"...41.0"

1966-67...74.9"...51.5"

2009-10...67.8"...51.4"

1947-48...66.5"...63.2"

1977-78...62.4"...50.7"

2002-03...62.1"...49.3"

2010-11...61.5"...61.9"

1957-58...61.1"...44.7"

2003-04...60.2"...42.6"

only 2010-11 had more snow in NYC by a small margine...six of the top ten winters are since 1995-96...the other four were between 1947-48 and 1994-95...

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comparing Brookhaven's top ten snow seasons to NYC...

year Brookhaven NYC

1995-96...90.8"...75.6"...both all time highs...

2004-05...78.5"...41.0"

1966-67...74.9"...51.5"

2009-10...67.8"...51.4"

1947-48...66.5"...63.2"

1977-78...62.4"...50.7"

2002-03...62.1"...49.3"

2010-11...61.5"...61.9"

1957-58...61.1"...44.7"

2003-04...60.2"...42.6"

only 2010-11 had more snow in NYC by a small margine...six of the top ten winters are since 1995-96...the other four were between 1947-48 and 1994-95...

Still so impressive every time i see it.  What a great period for snowfall we've enjoyed.  Yet its never enough imo...95/96 was the only one on that list that left me truly ready for spring

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...HEAVY SHOWER WITH SMALL HAIL WILL IMPACT PARTS OF WESTERN SUFFOLK

COUNTY...

AT 857 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR WAS TRACKING

A HEAVY SHOWER CAPABLE OF PRODUCING SMALL HAIL NEAR SETAUKET...

MOVING SLOWLY SOUTHEAST AT 5 MPH.

THIS HEAVY SHOWER WILL BE...

NEAR CORAM BY 920 PM.

NEAR FARMINGVILLE BY 925 PM.

NEAR MIDDLE ISLAND BY 930 PM.

5 MILES NORTHEAST OF HOLBROOK BY 945 PM.

NEAR MEDFORD BY 950 PM.

NEAR YAPHANK BY 1000 PM.

WIND GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH ARE ALSO EXPECTED.

LAT...LON 4068 7304 4074 7289 4075 7289 4075 7292

4073 7295 4074 7302 4072 7304 4072 7308

4092 7321 4098 7309 4097 7306 4098 7297

4090 7288 4086 7290 4080 7286 4074 7287

4066 7304

$$

GOODMAN

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Small hail makes sense.  I doubted sleet was responsible for the high reflectivities, although I didn't doubt the possibility of some large aggregate wet snow flakes...but hail sounds like a better explanation tonight.  We are on the western edge of that shower and its just been light rain here.

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Small hail makes sense.  I doubted sleet was responsible for the high reflectivities, although I didn't doubt the possibility of some large aggregate wet snow flakes...but hail sounds like a better explanation tonight.  We are on the western edge of that shower and its just been light rain here.

 

We had some pretty heavy rain move through here this evening...I did not notice any of the precip you mentioned...though I wasn't looking out the window the whole time.

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I just don't get it. Looking at Upton's 7-day forecast, daytime highs never get below 40* and lows never get below 32*. You'd think that we'd be down to at least the mid-30s for highs and mid-20s for lows in such a great blocking regime for this time of year.

I think Upton is a little bit warm for Sunday and Monday....850s are -8C to -9C, so I'd expect highs in the upper 30s for NYC and mid 30s for the suburbs. 

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Even though the models are finally showing a significant storm, I am tired of being teased over and over this winter.  I have a bad feeling that this storm does verify but that it will be heavy plain rain for my area.  In fact, the ggem and gfs are both supporting such a solution for ny and they may trend even further nw.  Give me snow or 60-70s, not 30s with heavy windswept rain (this has been the winter of 30s and rain).  

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Even though the models are finally showing a significant storm, I am tired of being teased over and over this winter.  I have a bad feeling that this storm does verify but that it will be heavy plain rain for my area.  In fact, the ggem and gfs are both supporting such a solution for ny and they may trend even further nw.  Give me snow or 60-70s, not 30s with heavy windswept rain (this has been the winter of 30s and rain).  

There's a strong block in place which would limit how far NW this can get. Pretty much every scenario is still out there.

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There's a strong block in place which would limit how far NW this can get. Pretty much every scenario is still out there.

There could be a tight gradient between NYC and the northwest suburbs but I think everyone should receive some snow. There's a classic banana high which should supply a little cold air despite the lack of arctic air supply.

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It's 5-6 days out man

I was getting HPC vibes from the Mount Holly Discussion, which means they expect an offshore solution at this point. I suppose it could still rain and be suppressed if the timing between the northern and southern stream is off. Predominantly would be more worried about suppression than p-type.

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stale marginal cold air and a prolonged onshore flow in the month of March does not make for  snowstorm along I -95 - example ash wednesday 1962 - NYC got no snow

 

LOL, once again you prove why you shouldn't post here. The Ash Wednesday 1962 storm didn't give NYC snow because there was literally no precip (.05") in Central Park due to the southern track and strong block.

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