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Hanging out in the New England forum for this one since I'm in stamford, but wanted to pop in and say that my other locale(Lake Placid), seems to be racking up nice numbers, Whiteface reporting 14" and friend of mine says my yard up there is close to a foot.

 

Enjoy the snow!

-skisheep

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Rochester airport just reported 9 inches, so Rochester will have to get another 6 for me to bust. I don't see that happening.

 

I never would have believed it if I hadnt seen it, but we picked up 8 or 9 inches of pure LES fluff overnight.  Still snowing moderately!  The ratios on this stuff are a joke, gotta be 25/30:1.  My first estimates on totals in my backyard are somewhere around 17 or 18 inches.  Heading out for measurements soon.

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I never would have believed it if I hadnt seen it, but we picked up 8 or 9 inches of pure LES fluff overnight.  Still snowing moderately!  The ratios on this stuff are a joke, gotta be 25/30:1.  My first estimates on totals in my backyard are somewhere around 17 or 18 inches.  Heading out for measurements soon.

 

Awesome!!!!  We got another 2-3" overnight...I ended up with about 9" total for the event.  Lake Ontario is a snow lover's dream in W/C NY, as it can produce in multiple ways!!

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The numbers from this storm are a bit out of whack.  Depending on the time interval between measurements, we could have gotten anywhere between 12 to 21 inches from this event.  Shorter intervals between measurements would really inflate the numbers.

 

I currently have 14" on the ground but this new fluff is compacting fast.  Great stuff!

 

10" final total,KROC reported 11" as of 4am.

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The numbers from this storm are a bit out of whack. Depending on the time interval between measurements, we could have gotten anywhere between 12 to 21 inches from this event. Shorter intervals between measurements would really inflate the numbers.

I currently have 14" on the ground but this new fluff is compacting fast. Great stuff!

Not bad enjoy!
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The numbers from this storm are a bit out of whack.  Depending on the time interval between measurements, we could have gotten anywhere between 12 to 21 inches from this event.  Shorter intervals between measurements would really inflate the numbers.

 

I currently have 14" on the ground but this new fluff is compacting fast.  Great stuff!

Yes...a few years back over at Easternuswx, I had tried to convey to some posters the variability in totals reported based on intervals of measurements.  For some reason they didn't understand the concept of time and compaction.....especially as the ratios go above 20:1.

 

I did some research for the NWS about 15 years or so ago regarding heavy snowfall, and various measuring intervals, rate determination etc.

 

The obvious conclusion was the more intervals, the more inflated the "total" was vs. what ended on up as an "on the ground" total (which over in the NE thread, as we speak, is how many are "determining" what fell....erroneously so).

 

But what really stood out when doing my experiments (measuring snow on 30 different snowboards during a 12 hr. insane LES event) was just how fast the snow compacted in the later stages of the event with 25:1 ratios.....(settling rates were near 1"/hr.)

 

Most people don't realize just how different the totals can vary given the same storm, with different intervals of measurement....not to mention when to actually "set the clock" to begin the next measurement.

 

The NWS provides a guideline of no more frequent than every 6 hours, and no less frequent than every 12 hours (which even with these guideline, leaves the potential for a lot of variability in totals, JUST from the potential variances within those guidelines.)

 

Snowfall measurement is inherently arbitrary, and is literally an inexact science.  Arguments can be made for many different techniques, adjustments, intervals, etc. but in the end we are left with the scrutiny of the public's eye...which during pedestrian storms (those of 12" or less) correlate well with "official" techniques....But when you start getting into an "officially measured" 36" LES snowstorm over 2 days that never gets "snow on the ground" much over 25", the public is more skeptical of the report....such is the difficulties of living in an area that routinely receives "feets" of snow at a time!!!!! :)

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I never would have believed it if I hadnt seen it, but we picked up 8 or 9 inches of pure LES fluff overnight.  Still snowing moderately!  The ratios on this stuff are a joke, gotta be 25/30:1.  My first estimates on totals in my backyard are somewhere around 17 or 18 inches.  Heading out for measurements soon.

 

Still no bust, sorry to tell ya! ^_^

 

ROCHESTER INTL ARPT   12.4   700 AM  2/09  ASOS
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Looks like Jackpot in WNY was Gasport with 18 inches and Lockport at 17 inches.

 

Jackpot in the NE was in Connecticut with the highest report being 38 inches, Logan airport reported just under 25 inches. Latest reports below:

 

NEW YORK...ALLEGANY COUNTY...   4 SW WEST ALMOND       4.9   900 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   ALMA                   4.0   700 AM  2/09  US COE   ALFRED                 2.8   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   RUSHFORD               2.2   630 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   WHITESVILLE            2.0   721 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   1 S WELLSVILLE         1.0   600 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER...CATTARAUGUS COUNTY...   PERRYSBURG             8.0   800 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   5 N ALLEGANY           4.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   WEST VALLEY            4.0   900 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   LITTLE VALLEY          4.0   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   CATTARAUGUS            4.0   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   FRANKLINVILLE          3.5   841 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER   1 NNE FRANKLINVILLE    3.5   830 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 ENE RANDOLPH         3.0   730 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 N LITTLE VALLEY      3.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 NE OLEAN             2.4   900 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   SALAMANCA              2.0   800 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   1 WSW OLEAN            1.0   730 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER...CAYUGA COUNTY...   8 SSE AUBURN           7.8   600 AM  2/09  COCORAHS...CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY...   SINCLAIRVILLE         13.0   913 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   2 SW FORESTVILLE       7.0   900 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   FINDLEY LAKE           6.2  1033 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   4 SSW RIPLEY           4.8   707 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   JAMESTOWN              3.8   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   SILVER CREEK           3.0   917 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA...ERIE COUNTY...   GRAND ISLAND          14.6   800 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   1 N GRAND ISLAND      14.2   100 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   TONAWANDA             12.0   914 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   3 NE TONAWANDA        10.5   830 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   SWORMVILLE            10.3   848 AM  2/09  NWS EMPLOYEE   1 NW KENMORE          10.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   ESE KENMORE            9.8   550 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   4 NW ALDEN             9.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   3 E WILLIAMSVILLE      8.9   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 NW WILLIAMSVILLE     8.5   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 S AKRON              8.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   BUFFALO                8.0   700 AM  2/09  NWS OFFICE   SPRINGVILLE            8.0   800 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   WEST FALLS             6.0   830 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   1 N ORCHARD PARK       6.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 ENE COLDEN           6.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 NE BOSTON            6.0   730 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 SSW BLASDELL         6.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   COLDEN                 5.5   730 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   3 WSW ELMA             5.5   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   ENE EAST AURORA        5.5   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 W WEST SENECA        4.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 SE GLENWOOD          4.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   WSW HAMBURG            4.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   HAMBURG                3.0   919 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   2 S WALES              3.0   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER...GENESEE COUNTY...   OAKFIELD              11.0   830 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   2 NE STAFFORD          8.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   PAVILION               6.5   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER...JEFFERSON COUNTY...   HENDERSON             15.0  1033 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   WEST CARTHAGE         13.0  1048 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   3 S THERESA            7.5   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS...LEWIS COUNTY...   1 NE LOWVILLE         12.1   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   1 NW CONSTABLEVILLE   12.0   600 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   SW BEAVER FALLS       11.0   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   HIGHMARKET             9.7   351 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   WATSON                 9.5   745 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   NORTH OSCEOLA          8.0  1125 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK...LIVINGSTON COUNTY...   4 WSW DANSVILLE        5.0   600 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 ENE DANSVILLE        4.2   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 W MOUNT MORRIS       4.0   810 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   AVON                   3.8   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   CONESUS                2.0   515 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER...MONROE COUNTY...   IRONDEQUOIT           16.0  1124 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   1 W GREECE            15.5  1125 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER   SPENCERPORT           15.0  1033 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   CHILI CENTER          14.0  1124 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   2 SW OGDEN CENTER     14.0  1032 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   5 WNW ROCHESTER       13.1   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   ROCHESTER INTL ARPT   12.4   700 AM  2/09  ASOS   6 ESE ROCHESTER       12.0   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   PENFIELD              12.0  1036 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   WEBSTER                7.7  1201 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   4 N HONEOYE FALLS      7.5  1031 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   1 NW NORTH CHILI       7.5   830 AM  2/09  COCORAHS...NIAGARA COUNTY...   GASPORT               18.0  1123 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   LOCKPORT              17.0   830 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   SANBORN               16.0   915 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   2 S LOCKPORT          16.0  1103 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER   RANSOMVILLE           16.0   911 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   1 NE LOCKPORT         15.5   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   YOUNGSTOWN            14.4   800 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   LEWISTON              14.0   912 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   PENDLETON             14.0   914 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   CAMBRIA               13.0   913 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   NIAGARA FALLS         13.0   917 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA   3 ENE LOCKPORT        12.1   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 NNE NORTH TONAWANDA 11.7   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 NE NORTH TONAWANDA  11.6   830 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   NIAGARA FALLS AIRPORT 10.8   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   NORTH TONAWANDA       10.8  1241 PM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   1 NE PENDLETON         9.6   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 NE PENDLETON         9.5  1031 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK...ONTARIO COUNTY...   GENEVA                 8.0   800 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   BRISTOL                5.5  1030 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK...ORLEANS COUNTY...   HOLLEY                14.0   825 AM  2/09  PUBLIC   LYNDONVILLE            9.5   900 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER...OSWEGO COUNTY...   W FULTON               9.5   720 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   REDFIELD               7.0   427 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   SE MINETTO             6.8   800 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   SOUTH HANNIBAL         6.8   830 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   4 SSE LACONA           6.3   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 SSE PALERMO          5.7   600 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   SANDY CREEK            5.2   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   4 SSW MEXICO           5.1   900 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 WNW OSWEGO           3.8   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS...WAYNE COUNTY...   NEWARK                13.5   841 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   MARION                13.0   900 AM  2/09  FACEBOOK   2 SW WALWORTH         12.5   700 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   2 NW PALMYRA          11.9   830 AM  2/09  COCORAHS   1 W WALWORTH          11.5  1035 AM  2/09  BROADCAST MEDIA...WYOMING COUNTY...   WARSAW                 9.0   809 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER   6 SW WARSAW            6.5   730 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   3 N SILVER SPRINGS     3.0   700 AM  2/09  CO-OP OBSERVER   PORTAGEVILLE           1.0   825 AM  2/09  TRAINED SPOTTER
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URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

345 PM EST SUN FEB 10 2013

NYZ001>003-010>012-019-085-110445-

/O.NEW.KBUF.WI.Y.0009.130211T1800Z-130212T1000Z/

NIAGARA-ORLEANS-MONROE-NORTHERN ERIE-GENESEE-WYOMING-CHAUTAUQUA-

SOUTHERN ERIE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NIAGARA FALLS...MEDINA...ROCHESTER...

BUFFALO...BATAVIA...WARSAW...JAMESTOWN...ORCHARD PARK...

SPRINGVILLE

345 PM EST SUN FEB 10 2013

...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM MONDAY TO 5 AM EST TUESDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BUFFALO HAS ISSUED A WIND

ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 1 PM MONDAY TO 5 AM EST

TUESDAY.

* LOCATIONS...CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY...THE NIAGARA FRONTIER...AND

GREATER ROCHESTER AREA.

* TIMING...EARLY MONDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH LATE MONDAY NIGHT.

* WINDS...SOUTHWEST 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH. GUSTS UP

TO 55 MPH NEAR LAKE ERIE.

* IMPACTS...STRONG WINDS WILL RESULT IN ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES AND

BRING DOWN A FEW TREE LIMBS. TRAVEL IN HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES

WILL BE DIFFICULT AT TIMES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WIND ADVISORY IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS ARE FORECAST TO BE

31 TO 39 MPH OR GUSTS WILL RANGE BETWEEN 46 AND 57 MPH. WINDS OF

THESE MAGNITUDES MAY CAUSE MINOR PROPERTY DAMAGE WITHOUT EXTRA

PRECAUTIONS. MOTORISTS IN HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES SHOULD USE

CAUTION UNTIL THE WINDS SUBSIDE. STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO

AND OTHER RADIO AND TV STATIONS FOR FURTHER DETAILS OR UPDATES.

&&

$$

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