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February Pattern and Storm Discussion


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00z GFS really locks the CAD at 150 as precip moves in.  Looking good at this point.

TW

 

Yeah, that was a colder trend at all levels of the atmosphere.  850s below freezing in western NC now, whereas they were below freezing only in VA northward on 18Z.

 

Hour 150:

 

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Hour 156:  Here 850s have warmed, but surface temps are still below freezing for many CAD locations.

 

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GFS is an icstorm next Friday for western/northern NC pretty easily. The pattern really favors confluence over the northeast and a strong HP system somewhere over SE Canada. The euro/gfs trend towards a big cutoff over maine/nf will allow for HP to stay locked in. I would not be surprised if this is our best storm of the season.

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GFS is an icstorm next Friday for western/northern NC pretty easily. The pattern really favors confluence over the northeast and a strong HP system somewhere over SE Canada. The euro/gfs trend towards a big cutoff over maine/nf will allow for HP to stay locked in. I would not be surprised if this is our best storm of the season.

 

Seems like DT's video about this time-frame and NC ice could have been correct.  I don't hope for an icestorm for you guys though.  It can cause major problems up that way.  Maybe you can some way get something else wintry than ice as the event nears.

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I hope next weekend 22-24 is all or mostly snow so we can get one good event in and not have to worry about spring and our chances becoming slight and none.  don't like that the suns angle is getting higher and higher.  heck yesterday felt like April in the mtns no less.  the 22-24 storm we need a stronger High to the north of us to keep the cold air coming or feeding into the storm.

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00z Euro went backwards on us.  HP wedges in but is much weaker and moves out quickly.  Warm air then dominates leading up to the next supposed storm.  Oh well, Euro didn't do too good on today's storm.  Hopefully this is just a hiccup.

TW

this has been the story all winter, the models never seem to go in the direction we want them to go unless its 2 weeks out.  as the event gets closer we tend to lose the good the models were showing.  so frustrated, come on spring.

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this has been the story all winter, the models never seem to go in the direction we want them to go unless its 2 weeks out.  as the event gets closer we tend to lose the good the models were showing.  so frustrated, come on spring.

 

This belongs in banter (and so does my reply), and once again, I don't believe you really want spring.  You want snow.  Spring arriving does nothing to fix that.

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I wouldn't give up on this one so fast. The components are there IMO for it trend more favorably.

 

 

I wouldn't give up on this one so fast. The components are there IMO for it trend more favorably.

 

I wouldn't give up on this one so fast. The components are there IMO for it trend more favorably.

Yeah, not giving up, but was really hoping to see the Euro keep up the ice scenario.  The bad part is that it has trended the wrong way in that 5-7 day range (it's wheelhouse so to speak).

TW

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this may not go in this thread but I wanted to ask, what does it take to get a good old fashioned GOM low to form or one of those lows out in the plains to drop down into the gulf to form a major low for us as it moves northeast we're on the northwest side of the storm to get the heavy snow?  I grew up in Buncombe County and we always in the winter months had more GOM lows to where we always had quite a few chances at a good snowstorm.  what has happened to cause us not have this setup that often anymore?  can any mets answer this for me or someone with more knowledge about the GOM lows.

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Ice storm potential still very much there on the 12Z GFS today.

Hey Calculus never been good at looking at temps that far out on the GFS in regards to ice storm potential. What am I looking at to determine this? I know 850 and surface map show well above freezing as the storm begins around the 141 144 mark but are you looking at 850 temp ht?

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this may not go in this thread but I wanted to ask, what does it take to get a good old fashioned GOM low to form or one of those lows out in the plains to drop down into the gulf to form a major low for us as it moves northeast we're on the northwest side of the storm to get the heavy snow?  I grew up in Buncombe County and we always in the winter months had more GOM lows to where we always had quite a few chances at a good snowstorm.  what has happened to cause us not have this setup that often anymore?  can any mets answer this for me or someone with more knowledge about the GOM lows.

No blocking... everything has been cutting across the US instead of diving down and traveling along the coast.

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Hey Calculus never been good at looking at temps that far out on the GFS in regards to ice storm potential. What am I looking at to determine this? I know 850 and surface map show well above freezing as the storm begins around the 141 144 mark but are you looking at 850 temp ht?

 

No, I'm looking at surface temps.  The model page on American WX has great links to all kinds of maps.  So, here's the precip field with 850s (above freezing in WNC).  Typically, we won't have snow if the 850s are above freezing.  It's not the end all/be all arbiter, but it's a good line to use for rough estimation.

 

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And here's the maximum surface temps during that same time period:

 

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And here's the minimum surface temps:

 

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So, verbatim, it's still slightly too warm for freezing rain except in the far northernmost points of NC.  But, it's so close that the whole situation bears monitoring. 

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No, I'm looking at surface temps. The model page on American WX has great links to all kinds of maps. So, here's the precip field with 850s (above freezing in WNC). Typically, we won't have snow if the 850s are above freezing. It's not the end all/be all arbiter, but it's a good line to use for rough estimation.

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And here's the maximum surface temps during that same time period:

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And here's the minimum surface temps:

Appreciate that a lot! Obviously the Nam is a great model to show damming at the surface but we are still quite a bit far out however just wanted to get a head start on this storm as I'll be traveling to Columbia SC on Friday morning and wanted to get a better idea of what I may be facing in the NC mountains. I guess if the GFS shows this potential to my knowledge in the past it sometimes is too warm with surface temps and corrects as the Nam gets into its wheelhouse. Take care.

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I hope this trends toward snow. a little ice is ok but I rather have snow if possible.

I don't we get anything but rain from that. Watch the storms after that one. They have a better chance of producing snow for us. If you want gom lows, then the best thing to look for is an el nino winter like 09/10. Maybe we can get one next year. They will be hard to come by now that the Pacific has entered its "cold phase".
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I don't we get anything but rain from that. Watch the storms after that one. They have a better chance of producing snow for us. If you want gom lows, then the best thing to look for is an el nino winter like 09/10. Maybe we can get one next year. They will be hard to come by now that the Pacific has entered its "cold phase".

 

Yeah if anything, its an ice event for my area and areas to my NE that are CAD areas.  Hard to get anything west of the escarpment with that kind of look.

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