NickD2011 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There have been 3 high wind warnings since Hurricane Sandy. One for Winter Storm Athena, one for the December 21 storm, and tonight's storm. Yet the high wind warnings did not verify in the past and I doubt tonight's high wind warning verifies. Usually there's only one high wind warning per year. I feel like we might become desensitized to a high wind warning. The only storm that deserved it was Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There have been 3 high wind warnings since Hurricane Sandy. One for Winter Storm Athena, one for the December 21 storm, and tonight's storm. Yet the high wind warnings did not verify in the past and I doubt tonight's high wind warning verifies. Usually there's only one high wind warning per year. I feel like we might become desensitized to a high wind warning. The only storm that deserved it was Sandy. Agree somewhat, disagree with tonight's HWW, getting very strong wind gusts rights now and many reports of gust over 50 mph. Sandy was a different type of beast as it was a pseudo hurricane at landfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD2011 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 It should have been a wind advisory with severe thunderstorm warnings as needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 It should have been a wind advisory with severe thunderstorm warnings as needed There's been many gusts over 50, away from tonight's "thunderstorms". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 insane here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsnowx53 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 No, the high wind warning was the right call. LGA just gusted to 62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 No, the high wind warning was the right call. LGA just gusted to 62. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn0waddict Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 61 at bdr, correct call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billgwx Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The HWW for the November 7 winter storm didn't work out because the boundary layer ended up colder than expected, which greatly limited mixing of 50+ kt winds from aloft, so we got snow instead of strong winds. The HWW for the December 21 storm was a textbook S-SE flow high wind event for us, and worked out nicely as I recall. This one is now beginning to work out as well since about 4 AM, with many non-thunderstorm gusts over 60 mph, and incoming reports of downed trees and roof damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWCCraig Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yeah, no problem with HWW. They usually issue them for LI and the 5 boroughs because we typically have the highest winds. Most of the time, the HWW do verify, and there have been times where they issued wind advisories that could have been HWW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The data suggests that the high wind warning (HWW) was warranted. The definition of a high wind warning: A HIGH WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS OF 40 MPH AREEXPECTED FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR...WITH GUSTS OF 58 MPH OR GREATERAT ANY TIME. DAMAGE TO TREES...POWER LINES...AND PROPERTY AREPOSSIBLE WITH WIND OF THIS MAGNITUDE. POWER OUTAGES ARE LIKELY.TAKE ACTION NOW TO SECURE ANY LOOSE OUTDOOR OBJECTS. From the latest PNS: 000 NOUS41 KOKX 311157 PNSOKX CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-312350- PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT SPOTTER REPORTS NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY 650 AM EST THU JAN 31 2013 THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS AND MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/NYC ***********************PEAK WIND GUST*********************** LOCATION MAX WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS GUST OF MPH MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...FAIRFIELD COUNTY... 1 ESE NORWALK 64 415 AM 1/31 MESONET BRIDGEPORT AIRPORT 61 428 AM 1/31 ASOS DANBURY AIRPORT 53 435 AM 1/31 ASOS ...MIDDLESEX COUNTY... WESTBROOK 78 520 AM 1/31 MEASURED ON THE BEACH OLD SAYBROOK 65 548 AM 1/31 TRAINED SPOTTER MIDDLETOWN 64 453 AM 1/31 MESONET ...NEW HAVEN COUNTY... MADISON 73 525 AM 1/31 MESONET EAST HAVEN 68 407 AM 1/31 MEASURED ON THE BEACH NEW HAVEN 61 416 AM 1/31 ASOS 1 E NORTH HAVEN 54 444 AM 1/31 MESONET NEW JERSEY ...BERGEN COUNTY... 1 SSE TEANECK 56 300 AM 1/31 MESONET ...ESSEX COUNTY... NEWARK AIRPORT 59 401 AM 1/31 ASOS CALDWELL AIRPORT 51 226 AM 1/31 ASOS NEW YORK ...ANZ330... BUOY 44039 65 345 AM 1/31 BUOY ...ANZ335... BUOY 44040 65 415 AM 1/31 BUOY ...ANZ345... CAPTREE STATE PARK 56 435 AM 1/31 MESONET ...NASSAU COUNTY... CENTRE ISLAND 70 344 AM 1/31 MESONET NNE GLEN COVE 58 411 AM 1/31 MESONET ...NEW YORK COUNTY... CENTRAL PARK 43 413 AM 1/31 ASOS ...QUEENS COUNTY... NYC/LA GUARDIA 64 354 AM 1/31 ASOS 2 SSE JACKSON HEIGHT 58 402 AM 1/31 MESONET NYC/JFK AIRPORT 53 432 AM 1/31 ASOS ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... 4 ENE PLUM ISLAND 64 521 AM 1/31 MESONET EATONS NECK 63 340 AM 1/31 MESONET EAST FARMINGDALE 61 404 AM 1/31 ASOS SHIRLEY AIRPORT 59 512 AM 1/31 ASOS ISLIP AIRPORT 59 503 AM 1/31 ASOS NORTHPORT 58 440 AM 1/31 YACHT CLUB MESONET 1 SE AMITYVILLE 56 451 AM 1/31 MESONET PATCHOGUE 55 509 AM 1/31 TRAINED SPOTTER ...WESTCHESTER COUNTY... LARCHMONT 54 230 AM 1/31 MESONET ***********************SUSTAINED WIND*********************** LOCATION WIND TIME/DATE COMMENTS SPEED OF MPH MEASUREMENT CONNECTICUT ...FAIRFIELD COUNTY... BRIDGEPORT AIRPORT 49 428 AM 1/31 ASOS DANBURY AIRPORT 39 436 AM 1/31 ASOS ...NEW HAVEN COUNTY... NEW HAVEN 40 429 AM 1/31 ASOS NEW JERSEY ...ESSEX COUNTY... NEWARK AIRPORT 45 402 AM 1/31 ASOS NEW YORK ...QUEENS COUNTY... NYC/LA GUARDIA 46 355 AM 1/31 ASOS NYC/JFK AIRPORT 43 433 AM 1/31 ASOS ...SUFFOLK COUNTY... ISLIP AIRPORT 44 504 AM 1/31 ASOS EAST FARMINGDALE 41 340 AM 1/31 ASOS FISHERS ISLAND 40 504 AM 1/31 MESONET SHIRLEY AIRPORT 39 457 AM 1/31 ASOS $$ LN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There have been 3 high wind warnings since Hurricane Sandy. One for Winter Storm Athena, one for the December 21 storm, and tonight's storm. Yet the high wind warnings did not verify in the past and I doubt tonight's high wind warning verifies. Usually there's only one high wind warning per year. I feel like we might become desensitized to a high wind warning. The only storm that deserved it was Sandy. The answer my friend is blowin in the wind , the answer is blowin in the wind.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There have been 3 high wind warnings since Hurricane Sandy. One for Winter Storm Athena, one for the December 21 storm, and tonight's storm. Yet the high wind warnings did not verify in the past and I doubt tonight's high wind warning verifies. Usually there's only one high wind warning per year. I feel like we might become desensitized to a high wind warning. The only storm that deserved it was Sandy. Upton definitely doesn't. My area usually ends up in a Wind Advisory and only around 1pm yesterday did I get upgraded to a HWW so they were definitely debating whether to go with a warning or an advisory. Their choice for issuing a warning was the right one as I had several gusts in the 60 mph range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Using Don's definition LGA, JFK & ISP failed as I don't see sustained winds over 40 at all, highest sustained was 35 with a gust over 60 mph at LGA. I didn't look at EWR obs. If sustained winds over 40 are one part of the criteria for a HWW it would seem this time LGA, JFK & ISP failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Using Don's definition LGA, JFK & ISP failed as I don't see sustained winds over 40 at all, highest sustained was 35 with a gust over 60 mph at LGA. I didn't look at EWR obs. If sustained winds over 40 are one part of the criteria for a HWW it would seem this time LGA, JFK & ISP failed. Look at the bottom of PNS. They did see sustained winds 40mph+. As well some other stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Using Don's definition LGA, JFK & ISP failed as I don't see sustained winds over 40 at all, highest sustained was 35 with a gust over 60 mph at LGA. I didn't look at EWR obs. If sustained winds over 40 are one part of the criteria for a HWW it would seem this time LGA, JFK & ISP failed. Wrong. ***********************sustained wind*********************** Location wind time/date comments speed of mph measurement Connecticut ... Fairfield County... Bridgeport Airport 49 428 am 1/31 ASOS Danbury Airport 39 436 am 1/31 ASOS ... New Haven County... New Haven 40 429 am 1/31 ASOS ... New London County... Groton Airport 40 600 am 1/31 ASOS New Jersey ... Essex County... Newark Airport 45 402 am 1/31 ASOS New York ... Queens County... NYC/La Guardia 46 355 am 1/31 ASOS NYC/JFK Airport 43 433 am 1/31 ASOS ... Suffolk County... Islip Airport 44 504 am 1/31 ASOS East Farmingdale 41 340 am 1/31 ASOS Fishers Island 40 504 am 1/31 mesonet Shirley Airport 39 457 am 1/31 ASOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Love the one word response, classy! Guess I get that for using my IPhone to post in the thread, won't be doing that again on this board. Should have looked at the bottom of the PNS where the sustained wind section was, I only looked at the top since I though the whole PNS was gust reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Had gust to 50 here at 11 am which is pretty impressive for my vantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthNJwx Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 From NWS Taunton's website: HIGH WIND WARNING Sustained winds 40-73 mph (≥35 kts) for at least 1 hour; OR any gusts ≥ 58 mph (≥50 kts) The criteria is exactly the same for Upton. This is the definition I've seen in every HWW event - I haven't seen the wording posted earlier in this thread until reading it in this thread, and that wording is not the norm. Warning criteria only dictates meeting the sustained or gust criteria - both are not necessary. Likewise, advisory criteria requires sustained winds of 31+ and/or gusts of 46+. Just hoping to clear up the confusion here. This storm definitely met criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 From NWS Taunton's website: HIGH WIND WARNING Sustained winds 40-73 mph (≥35 kts) for at least 1 hour; OR any gusts ≥ 58 mph (≥50 kts) The criteria is exactly the same for Upton. This is the definition I've seen in every HWW event - I haven't seen the wording posted earlier in this thread until reading it in this thread, and that wording is not the norm. Warning criteria only dictates meeting the sustained or gust criteria - both are not necessary. Likewise, advisory criteria requires sustained winds of 31+ and/or gusts of 46+. Just hoping to clear up the confusion here. This storm definitely met criteria. The wording from the text of the HWW must have accidently excluded the "or." I agree that the HWW verified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthNJwx Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The wording from the text of the HWW must have accidently excluded the "or." I agree that the HWW verified. Yep, probably just a minor error during the inputting of the warning text. Impressive to see that so many ASOS stations verified sustained criteria - 40 sustained is serious business. I think gusts to 58+ (serious business as well, of course) are probably a bit more common than measured 40+ sustained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yep, probably just a minor error during the inputting of the warning text. Impressive to see that so many ASOS stations verified sustained criteria - 40 sustained is serious business. I think gusts to 58+ (serious business as well, of course) are probably a bit more common than measured 40+ sustained. I had skimmed it and hadn't noticed that "or" was missing when pointing out that the HWW was justified. NWS did a superb job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 The official definition of the High Wind Warning is listed in NWS Directive 10-515, page 7: "Wind speeds forecast to meet or exceed locally defined warning criteria. (Typical values are sustained wind speeds of 40 mph or greater lasting for 1 hour or longer, or winds of 58 mph or greater for any duration)." You can see it defers to "locally defined" criteria. However, the Eastern Region supplement, page 7, specifies: "≥ 35 knots (40 mph) sustained for ≥ 1 hr or any duration gust ≥ 50 knots (58 mph)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billgwx Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 The low level jet was astounding...100 kt winds at 2000' per OKX VWP: I do not recall seeing winds of this magnitude aloft in either Sandy or Irene. Thank God there was an inversion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulen Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I live 4 miles from lga and that freight train with 62 mph winds lasted 10-20 minutes and the debri was all over the place ma nature is very humbling. I wish i had a kite that would of been something see ya.peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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