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I noticed some jesting earlier about sun angle and ground temps.  Let me make a serious post for a change. There are three main factors that affect accumulation.  

 

solar radiation

ground temp

snow rate

 

Solar radiation is by far the least important.  Unless there are drastic changes that have major snowstorms occurring with full sun it will remain the least important.

 

Ground temp can be important in certain circumstances combined with precip rate.  The rate of precipitation is far and away the most significant factor in accumulating snow.  Lets take the, hopefully, upcoming event as an example.  In the areas where the models show .3 to .4 everyone is assuming a 10 to one ratio and saying the model is predicting three to four inches of snow.  Well it is and it isn't. It may snow 3 to 4 inches worth but that doesn't mean there will be anything like that on the ground.

 

Taking the high end of .4. If that falls fairly evenly spread out over an 8 hours period, with the occasional lulls we usually get, even an inch of snow on the ground will be hard to come by. It is over 60º today.  This is where ground temps, combined with a low precip rate severely limits accumulations.  The ground would cover, especially grassy areas, and then reappear in a precip lull.  This would repeat itself again and again without ever really moving into the realm of accumulating snow.  There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

If we get that same .4 inches of precip as snow in a 2 hour period we would end up 2 or 3 inches on the ground and everyone would be happy. So, my fellow weenies and mets as well, it's up to you to predict accumulations.  The models are just giving you total amounts of precip.  I'm convinced we would be much happier in here if most folks would use the models as tools, instead of following them as gospel from 10 days out.

 

Just 2 cents worth from the funny old man.

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Just for the record, as a TN poster.....................I am wishing you guys the best of luck with this one.  I mentioned earlier in the week when everyone was jumping that this sure looked like a central Carolinas and points north and east type of system and to keep an eye on it.  It's good to see these recent trends for yall.  I hope it continues and you have snowballs to throw and snowmen to make come the weekend!

 

Yup...except for Jeremy....

 

Still the best regionalism moment ever was when Cosgrove wished an inch of ice on the Carolina posters....IIRC he did not like our definition of CAD. It was missing Sargasso and Sonoran I think...

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I'm looking at that ICE STORM next Thursday/Friday, really cold air around! :whistle: lol

.THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S.

.THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY...CLOUDY WITH A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF

RAIN. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S.

Hey at least it doesn't have freezing rain in the upper 30s.
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I noticed some jesting earlier about sun angle and ground temps.  Let me make a serious post for a change. There are three main factors that affect accumulation.  

 

solar radiation

ground temp

snow rate

 

Solar radiation is by far the least important.  Unless there are drastic changes that have major snowstorms occurring with full sun it will remain the least important.

 

Ground temp can be important in certain circumstances combined with precip rate.  The rate of precipitation is far and away the most significant factor in accumulating snow.  Lets take the, hopefully, upcoming event as an example.  In the areas where the models show .3 to .4 everyone is assuming a 10 to one ratio and saying the model is predicting three to four inches of snow.  Well it is and it isn't. It may snow 3 to 4 inches worth but that doesn't mean there will be anything like that on the ground.

 

Taking the high end of .4. If that falls fairly evenly spread out over an 8 hours period, with the occasional lulls we usually get, even an inch of snow on the ground will be hard to come by. It is over 60º today.  This is where ground temps, combined with a low precip rate severely limits accumulations.  The ground would cover, especially grassy areas, and then reappear in a precip lull.  This would repeat itself again and again without ever really moving into the realm of accumulating snow.  There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

If we get that same .4 inches of precip as snow in a 2 hour period we would end up 2 or 3 inches on the ground and everyone would be happy. So, my fellow weenies and mets as well, it's up to you to predict accumulations.  The models are just giving you total amounts of precip.  I'm convinced we would be much happier in here if most folks would use the models as tools, instead of following them as gospel from 10 days out.

 

Just 2 cents worth from the funny old man.

 

I agree with this.  Soil temps (and I would think surface temps would coorelate) have a significant impact on accumulations IMO.  GSP discussed it in pretty good detail in their afternoon disco today. 

 

Sun angle?  Hill o' beans...

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I noticed some jesting earlier about sun angle and ground temps.  Let me make a serious post for a change. There are three main factors that affect accumulation.  

 

solar radiation

ground temp

snow rate

 

Solar radiation is by far the least important.  Unless there are drastic changes that have major snowstorms occurring with full sun it will remain the least important.

 

Ground temp can be important in certain circumstances combined with precip rate.  The rate of precipitation is far and away the most significant factor in accumulating snow.  Lets take the, hopefully, upcoming event as an example.  In the areas where the models show .3 to .4 everyone is assuming a 10 to one ratio and saying the model is predicting three to four inches of snow.  Well it is and it isn't. It may snow 3 to 4 inches worth but that doesn't mean there will be anything like that on the ground.

 

Taking the high end of .4. If that falls fairly evenly spread out over an 8 hours period, with the occasional lulls we usually get, even an inch of snow on the ground will be hard to come by. It is over 60º today.  This is where ground temps, combined with a low precip rate severely limits accumulations.  The ground would cover, especially grassy areas, and then reappear in a precip lull.  This would repeat itself again and again without ever really moving into the realm of accumulating snow.  There would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

If we get that same .4 inches of precip as snow in a 2 hour period we would end up 2 or 3 inches on the ground and everyone would be happy. So, my fellow weenies and mets as well, it's up to you to predict accumulations.  The models are just giving you total amounts of precip.  I'm convinced we would be much happier in here if most folks would use the models as tools, instead of following them as gospel from 10 days out.

 

Just 2 cents worth from the funny old man.

 

I agree, actually.  Soil temps and BL temps above freezing and early March solar radiation contributed to the spotty accumulations of the March 2, 2010 storm.  The lighter precip rates didn't help, either.  The places that got under heavy snow for an extended period of time (i.e. Sanford area) or got the heavy stuff at night did really well.  In comparison, in the places where the precip rates were light, it hardly accumulated at all.

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I agree with this.  Soil temps (and I would think surface temps would coorelate) have a significant impact on accumulations IMO.  GSP discussed it in pretty good detail in their afternoon disco today. 

 

Sun angle?  Hill o' beans...

 

Thanks for reading.  I was beginning to wonder if anyone would. Maybe I'd better stick to humor.

 

 This looks like fun.

 

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Spring training and NASCAR starting up,season is changing.Won't be long before you have to pull the mower out.

Not much winter weather this year but I've seen less.

I had a little sleet and a light snow shower for about 10 minutes. Haven't seen accumulating snow in two years. Fun stuff. Almost time for beer and liquor. :drunk:

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I had a little sleet and a light snow shower for about 10 minutes. Haven't seen accumulating snow in two years. Fun stuff. Almost time for beer and liquor. :drunk:

I've seen snow twice this year with a dusting in one.Also a dusting of sleet with a coating on ice on top.May see a few flakes tomorrow so seeing winter weather 4 times isn't all that bad to me.

 

Sure don't want to walk in it for a couple months like they do up north.

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If all the negativity is proven wrong tomorrow and people do get snow,

 

I am done here. Too much negativity, model hugging, discussion without scientific reasoning behind it, by some that is.

 

Wait until it starts, then if it's not apparent something it'll happen, then we can call "cancel". Especially since it's within 18 hours, just wait now and see what happens instead of worrying about who gets what.

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If all the negativity is proven wrong tomorrow and people do get snow,

 

I am done here. Too much negativity, model hugging, discussion without scientific reasoning behind it, by some that is.

 

Wait until it starts, then if it's not apparent something it'll happen, then we can call "cancel". Especially since it's within 18 hours, just wait now and see what happens instead of worrying about who gets what.

I know you don't want to hear this but everyone is entitled to express their opinion.  The fact some differ from yours and you can't handle it is your problem, not the forum's.  

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I'm just glad we didn't have to rely on the models for that asteroid today... the entire board would be nuts! We're all going to live... we're all going to die... some of us are going to live... wait maybe not

 

24 hours out

 

Poster 1: It looks like it is just gong to miss us.

 

Poster 2:  CLIFF JUMPER!!!  CLIFF JUMPER!!!   The trajectory could still change. The MJO(mighty Jupiter orbit) is moving into its deflective stage. We won't really know until it happens. I don't trust ACCUPHYSICS.  It's nowcaster time.

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24 hours out

Poster 1: It looks like it is just gong to miss us.

Poster 2: CLIFF JUMPER!!! CLIFF JUMPER!!! The trajectory could still change. The MJO(mighty Jupiter orbit) is moving into its deflective stage. We won't really know until it happens. I don't trust ACCUPHYSICS. It's nowcaster time.

Bro you are crazy lmao. It's true though.
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