Stebo Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The rather large fuel source to their immediate east sure helps a lot. Indeed, but that argument of which area can be put to rest, their photo thread is really amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 We have the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean... I've had 20+ inches with one storm, which is pretty good for Wisconsin. I've also seen over 20 inches in March just north of here... So yeah, 38" is probably not doable in this area, but its not like we don't see heavy snow. There are other reasons to live out east (like a mild climate, especially as you near the ocean), higher wages (and property taxes to match)...I've read of nightmare commutes out east (DC area) commute in this area is like 10 minutes and heavy traffic is almost nonexistent... Plus and minuses to living anywhere..just ask Turtle!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 If anyone was curious about that debate of what area is better for winters, the GLOV or SNE, go check out some of their photos over there. I would love to have a storm like that here if it meant irregular snowfalls. The consequences like no power and immobility start to outweigh the positives once you hit the 2-3 ft range... I'd much rather split that storm into a 1 foot storm and a bunch of clippers throughout the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 We have the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean... I've had 20+ inches with one storm, which is pretty good for Wisconsin. I've also seen over 20 inches in March just north of here... So yeah, 38" is probably not doable in this area, but its not like we don't see heavy snow. There are other reasons to live out east (like a mild climate, especially as you near the ocean), higher wages (and property taxes to match)...I've read of nightmare commutes out east (DC area) commute in this area is like 10 minutes and heavy traffic is almost nonexistent... Plus and minuses to living anywhere..just ask Turtle!!! We get more than our fair share of 1-2 foot storms, and several storms have approached 3 feet in various parts of WI: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/mkx/pdf/snowstorms-wisconsin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Blair, WI (45 minutes north of here)... date as shown... This was a low 20 inch storm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Yeah I have had 3 feet with a storm before so not impossible but a rare event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The difference is scale and magnitude. The Midwest will get lollipops of 20" snows (and high snow ratios to boot) but it's not going to be widespread. The square mileage of 20"+ snows from this storm on the East Coast is something that would be hard to match in the midwest. Imagine ORD, LAF, MSN, MKE, CLE, DTW, TOL, FWA, GRR all having 20"+ from the same storm; fat chance of that ever happening. Plus getting 20" on 2.0" liquid is much more impressive than 20" of fluff off 1.0" liquid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Turtle- Battery... yes...winter sucks...its getting to that point that i want 60Fs again. Can't wait until March. For some odd reason, Michigan is completely cloud free...don't see that happen much in winter: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/wisc/ No you dont. Especially when WI is socked in with clouds, its usually the other way around. I mean, its kinda pretty, but I still prefer the gray lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Indeed, but that argument of which area can be put to rest, their photo thread is really amazing. No kidding. I have a few photos similar to that from GHD, but these are insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The consequences like no power and immobility start to outweigh the positives once you hit the 2-3 ft range... I'd much rather split that storm into a 1 foot storm and a bunch of clippers throughout the year. Yeah I have to agree with that, unless it's like fluffy LES which is easy to move. 15" is about the limit I like. --- Clouds breaking up slowly here. Still 80%+ of the snow is on the trees, will try to get a few shots when I go out in a few, of the blue sky and snow in the trees. -I'll put them in the photo thread this time. Yeah I got some insane GHDB photos, but most of them from outside of home were taken after the cleanup commenced. Wasn't about to walk around that night in high winds at night and risk frost bite to get shots! At least for awhile this storm in NE was warmer then GHDB - walking outside was probably more tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Indeed, but that argument of which area can be put to rest, their photo thread is really amazing. This "argument" will never be settled because it really comes down to opinion. The photos are indeed amazing. And I am super jealous. But to me there is no denying "better WINTERS" are in the GL, better storms in the NE. We go through this every time they get a noreaster. And this is a historic one even for them. Everyone carries on what a disaster last winter was...guess what...it was way, way worse out there than here. We are superior in every category (until you get to far interior SNE)...cold, snowfall frequency, snowcover....EXCEPT the big bomb potential. Winter isnt nearly as dependable there as here, not even close really (see the bad winters like 2001-02, 2011-12, etc). Its my opinion that winter is a SEASON, not a day or two. All that said, I would have loved nothing better than to be able to afford to fly out to CT a few days ago (I would have picked MA but it appears parts of CT were ground zero) and stay for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 If anyone was curious about that debate of what area is better for winters, the GLOV or SNE, go check out some of their photos over there. I would love to have a storm like that here if it meant irregular snowfalls. This STL>IND>DTW almost impossible to get anything of any significance. 88 years between storms for DTW of 18"+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 We have the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean... I've had 20+ inches with one storm, which is pretty good for Wisconsin. I've also seen over 20 inches in March just north of here... So yeah, 38" is probably not doable in this area, but its not like we don't see heavy snow. There are other reasons to live out east (like a mild climate, especially as you near the ocean), higher wages (and property taxes to match)...I've read of nightmare commutes out east (DC area) commute in this area is like 10 minutes and heavy traffic is almost nonexistent... Plus and minuses to living anywhere..just ask Turtle!!! Definitely pluses and minuses to living anywhere. They have higher wages but the cost of living is outrageous out there. Detroit rush hour is bad enough for me, id never be able to handle it in SNE. And winter, the SEASON, as I know it would simply not be the same. It starts later, ends earlier, Fall starts later, and summer is just as miserable. Now NNE, thats another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The consequences like no power and immobility start to outweigh the positives once you hit the 2-3 ft range... I'd much rather split that storm into a 1 foot storm and a bunch of clippers throughout the year. No power and immobility is part of the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioWX Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The pros of getting bigger snowstorms in New England are outweighed by the fact that we get better severe weather in the midwest. As someone who admires powerful thunderstorms just as much as powerful blizzards, our weather from April - October is much more interesting to follow and be a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The pros of getting bigger snowstorms in New England are outweighed by the fact that we get better severe weather in the midwest. As someone who admires powerful thunderstorms just as much as powerful blizzards, our weather from April - October is much more interesting to follow and be a part of. Severe weather in Michigan/Ontario is overrated. I bet it's slightly better then SNE. It's lot more active in The OV and Western MW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The pros of getting bigger snowstorms in New England are outweighed by the fact that we get better severe weather in the midwest. As someone who admires powerful thunderstorms just as much as powerful blizzards, our weather from April - October is much more interesting to follow and be a part of. They do get the occasional tropical threat though (not talking remnant storms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Probably the convective element. The vertical build of convection aids in tremendous "downpouring" of precip. I have experienced intense convective snow out west where it happens pretty frequently in the mountains. What usually happens is when you get in the 4" an hour range the flakes become rime encrusted and you get snow pellets or even very small hail mixing in. This is even with the entire atmospheric column below freezing mind you, NOT the same as sleet. The big cotton-ball looking dendrite aggregates break up and you don't get the best accumulation efficiency. 6" an hour rates take some kind of special conditions that only seem to occur in the deformation band of big synoptic systems or lake effect bands. This is my anecdotal experience anyways. I'd love to see some careful research on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I have experienced intense convective snow out west where it happens pretty frequently in the mountains. What usually happens is when you get in the 4" an hour range the flakes become rime encrusted and you get snow pellets or even very small hail mixing in. This is even with the entire atmospheric column below freezing mind you, NOT the same as sleet. The big cotton-ball looking dendrite aggregates break up and you don't get the best accumulation efficiency. 6" an hour rates take some kind of special conditions that only seem to occur in the deformation band of big synoptic systems or lake effect bands. This is my anecdotal experience anyways. I'd love to see some careful research on the topic. Yeah that would be very interesting to be sure. NAM continues to advertise a narrow corridor of weak surface instability tomorrow afternoon over south-central and southeast IA. To me it looks a little too low with temps, probably because it's overdoing the snow cover over Iowa. I think temps will warm a little more than what it's showing, and that could actually bump instability up a bit. Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but a decent arc of small mini-sups wouldn't be completely out of the question in my opinion. I may just have to head into Iowa if trends continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 other than hail looks like we could have every other type of precip in the next 48 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Illinois Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Pretty nice outside right around 40 currently Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Super bright outside today. Almost makes you miss the Michigan winter gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Leveled off at 32° here with mostly sunny skies late this afternoon. Still over half the snow in the trees still. With the sun partial out, but not blaring down, it made for a good photo day in the countryside. Posted several new photos under this link > http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/39283-beginning-snows-of-blizzard-2013/ Noticed there was plowing still going on today! Sunset tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Mich- Love the bluebird sky.. Geos- Winter wonderland Just a blah day here... mild, but overcast all day. not much melting. Getting ready for the ice/rain/snow tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 It was a beautiful late Winter day. Plenty of sun and the chill was relaxed. Keep em coming please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Severe weather in Michigan/Ontario is overrated. I bet it's slightly better then SNE. It's lot more active in The OV and Western MW. Not even close, Michigan/Ontario are much more active than SNE with respect to severe weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Looks below zero weather coming back later next week... maybe that will be it for winter??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Looks below zero weather coming back later next week... maybe that will be it for winter??? Nam coming in colder for tomorrow probably just a colder rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 The pros of getting bigger snowstorms in New England are outweighed by the fact that we get better severe weather in the midwest. As someone who admires powerful thunderstorms just as much as powerful blizzards, our weather from April - October is much more interesting to follow and be a part of. That's true. Severe weather is my first love, so I could never see myself living on the east coast. However, not all of the Midwest is a big storm desert. Athough the frequency pales in comparison to the east coast cities, you have much higher big storm potential in Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis than in Detroit/St. Louis/Toronto/Indianapolis, in addition to the constant snowpack, frequent penny fluff events and the active severe weather seasons. For example, how many 12"+ storms has Chicago an Minneapolis logged in Comparison to Detroit and Indianapolis? Chances are, if you live in Chicago or Minneapolis for at least a half decade, you're going to experience a major snowstorm/blizzard. In Detroit or Indianapolis, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Clear skies and calm winds allowed temps to quickly drop this evening, currently 21 degrees here. One of the coldest spots in the state right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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