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December 19-20 Talking Points - Part 3


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  On 12/17/2010 at 8:40 AM, iverson3 said:

Hey Tombo, I wasn't here tonight for the Euro, but I have heard quite negative things about the run. How far off the coast was it? And what was the reason for the shift? Thank you in advance.

it was a good 300 or so miles off the coast at our latitude...the one main reason i saw was the s/w was anemic and was astonishing how much it was less amplified

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i bet that is throwing the mean off big time on the precip probs.

what about the ones that arent even on the map? lol with no precip anywhere....that could be throwing it off as well, but all in all, its probably just averaging it

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  On 12/17/2010 at 8:48 AM, CooL said:

what about the ones that arent even on the map? lol with no precip anywhere....that could be throwing it off as well, but all in all, its probably just averaging it

Can't get any less than 0.0, but having a 3" liquid member in there will skew the average tremendously.

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  On 12/17/2010 at 8:50 AM, William said:

Ended up a bit worse...

I saw some good signs in there..it was better developed with the CCB precip, it was slower, northern stream was better.

Ultimately though it appears we are headed towards a trend towards a much weaker southern stream. And without that, we won't get much of anything.

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This event continues to look alot like the 12/27/04 event where it was a miss by about 75-100 miles for most parts of coastal NJ/NYC/western LI and CT...the twin forks area saw up to 8 inches in some places....around 2-4 inches still fell in parts of the 5 boroughs, Nassau, and western Suffolk due to a strong upper trough behind the system as well as a very brief norlun feature.

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  On 12/17/2010 at 8:32 AM, earthlight said:

The PV is so much further NW and the s/w over MT/UT that dives into the OH Valley amplifies the height field.

The changes are once again radical beyond belief as soon as 48 hrs out. Wow.

lol this really is one big nightmare-- the margin of error is still on huge on every component-- as soon as you fix one leak, up springs another, and after that the one you thought you fixed is broke again. You have to have a sense of humor about this.

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  On 12/17/2010 at 9:09 AM, SnowGoose69 said:

This event continues to look alot like the 12/27/04 event where it was a miss by about 75-100 miles for most parts of coastal NJ/NYC/western LI and CT...the twin forks area saw up to 8 inches in some places....around 2-4 inches still fell in parts of the 5 boroughs, Nassau, and western Suffolk due to a strong upper trough behind the system as well as a very brief norlun feature.

That was the year snow kept backing in off the ocean east to west.

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