Subtropics Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Checking in here with a solid half inch. DCA's measurement makes sense IMO. Dulles is the one that is wack with a 36 to 1 ratio lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Although seperated by 50 miles, trajectory of the incoming precip seemed to align my area with IAD area. I can confirm 1.75" IMBY measured at 3 separate flat spots. 36:1 ratio seems dubious; maybe there is error with the liquid measurment? It was very cold and the snow is exceptionally light and powdery though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I had a solid 1.5" inches of snow from .07", more than a 20-1 ratio. So did Buzz Burek another retired NCEP met who lives 2 miles southeast of me. Also, measuring fluff at 11:30 when the snow ended hours ago just doesn't work as it settles alot. If it's 0.50 inches now it probably a couple of tenths higher earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtropics Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I had a solid 1.5" inches of snow from .07", more than a 20-1 ratio. So did Buzz Burek another retired NCEP met who lives 2 miles southeast of me. Also, measuring fluff at 11:30 when the snow ended hours ago just doesn't work as it settles alot. If it's 0.50 inches now it probably a couple of tenths higher earlier. Can you imagine if we had a legit wet system dumping 1-2'' QPF in this airmass!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensrule Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I had a solid 1.5" inches of snow from .07", more than a 20-1 ratio. So did Buzz Burek another retired NCEP met who lives 2 miles southeast of me. Also, measuring fluff at 11:30 when the snow ended hours ago just doesn't work as it settles alot. If it's 0.50 inches now it probably a couple of tenths higher earlier. Are we supposed to trust you and Buzz Burek, you were probably the guys issuing the winter storm watches when we were only getting 3 flakes . I hate those NCEP mets, they have no clue what they are doing. Heck we should just disband the NWS according to half the people here . Heck plenty of people yesterday were making fun of the WWA advisory and it was definitely warranted. I would hate to be an NCEP met, all the criticism when they are wrong but none of the glory when they are right 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Are we supposed to trust you and Buzz Burek, you were probably the guys issuing the winter storm watches when we were only getting 3 flakes . I hate those NCEP mets, they have no clue what they are doing. Heck we should just disband the NWS according to half the people here . Buzz was one of the guys that made sure the models were running on time and tracked down problems. Another Met Frank Rosenstein had similar ratios in Waldorf. Fluffy snows are great but rarely happen here when you get a true noreaster. There usually is too much cloud water involved so you have some riming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteoutMD Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I measured 1 inch when I left for work at 7 am in Annapolis. Do people thing we will get generally more tomorrow then what we just had or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I measured 1 inch when I left for work at 7 am in Annapolis. Do people thing we will get generally more tomorrow then what we just had or less? If you believe the nam/euro combo then yes, everyone gets close to double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Buzz was one of the guys that made sure the models were running on time and tracked down problems. Another Met Frank Rosenstein had similar ratios in Waldorf. Fluffy snows are great but rarely happen here when you get a true noreaster. There usually is too much cloud water involved so you have some riming. In general, what ratios are attained in our "cold" coastals (i.e., 02/2003, 01/1996, 12/2009)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 One thing about the IAd ratios. Most likely it is too high. Heated gauges in cold weather tend to set up mini thermal that tend to keep some of the flakes from getting into the gauge. Essentially they underdo the precip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVclimo Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 In general, what ratios are attained in our "cold" coastals (i.e., 02/2003, 01/1996, 12/2009)? Zwyts had a nice post about this a few weeks back: http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/38793-ratios-and-precip-for-our-biggest-snows/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoast NPZ Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Zwyts had a nice post about this a few weeks back: http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/38793-ratios-and-precip-for-our-biggest-snows/ Thanks. I'd forgotten about that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiscaster Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I ended up at 1.5", so I could see Dulles being adjusted down a little bit. Do they ever adjust totals? I know a few times where it was found that measurement protocols were not followed and they were revised, but those were during big storms. I thought it was a little high too, because my location is usually similar to IAD and it was more like an inch where I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 I want to know more about the power plant enhancement and how I can get a power plant upstream from my location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Looks like the official for Leesburg is 1.4"...i know a few heavier bands came through after i left for work...up to 5.6" for the year....sigh...come on double digits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyS Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 DCA's seasonal snow total is now 0.6 inches, leaving it 1.4 inches behind last season's final total. On the other hand, IAD's seasonal snow total is now 4.0 inches, leaving it 0.3 inches ahead of last season's final total.Apparently, the Dulles total has been revised down to 1.2 inches for this storm -- http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/events/snowmaps -- so, that would bring IAD's seasonal snow total down to 3.4 inches, leaving it 0.3 inches behind last season's final total. Also, the revision would bring down the IAD snow/precipitation ratio for this storm to 24 to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 lol they dropped dca to 0.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I want to know more about the power plant enhancement and how I can get a power plant upstream from my location. you have congress nearby. close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 lol they dropped dca to 0.3 that was at 7am so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 that was at 7am so who knows ahh yeah tho they didnt report any liquid after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 that was at 7am so who knows Heated gauge=bad measurement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relic Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 1.7 near mine run. 1.8 to the west and 2.0 to the east so seems right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Heated gauge=bad measurement? with the correction at dulles both bwi and iad were 24-25:1. dca was 10:1 thru 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiscaster Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 If you believe the nam/euro combo then yes, everyone gets close to double. EE Rule in effect. Bookit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 IAD - 1.5" BWI - 2.0" DCA -0.4" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 IAD - 1.5" BWI - 2.0" DCA -0.4" I posted this on LWX's facebook wall: DCA measurements are really embarrassing year after year. I realize the FAA is responsible, but since they are official, how long are we going to sit back and just accept the incompetence? Can we refuse to certify these totals? I had 0.9" in Old Town right on the water. You look at other surrounding measurements and it is almost inconceivable that DCA got only 0.4". This was a cold storm for everyone. Even if they got only 0.03" of liquid which is doubtful, only 13:1 ratios?...when everyone got much higher?...seasoned meteorologists south and east of DC got 20:1+ ratios. I realize Sterling isn'r responsible, but I think it is time you all stepped up and did something since this is official data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I posted this on LWX's facebook wall: DCA measurements are really embarrassing year after year. I realize the FAA is responsible, but since they are official, how long are we going to sit back and just accept the incompetence? Can we refuse to certify these totals? I had 0.9" in Old Town right on the water. You look at other surrounding measurements and it is almost inconceivable that DCA got only 0.4". This was a cold storm for everyone. Even if they got only 0.03" of liquid which is doubtful, only 13:1 ratios?...when everyone got much higher?...seasoned meteorologists south and east of DC got 20:1+ ratios. I realize Sterling isn'r responsible, but I think it is time you all stepped up and did something since this is official data. Well said. I hope they give it consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 So is it a year yet without a 1+ event at DCA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 So is it a year yet without a 1+ event at DCA Yes. Just over now. Jan 20-21 last yr was 1.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Well said. I hope they give it consideration. From what I understand they have looked into it. Obs will be taken at national either way for safety but they could take obs from somewhere within 5 miles. I think one problem is needing two full time observers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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