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Jan 25th Winter Weather Discussion Thread


Marion_NC_WX

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Steve, please a brief education for me ... Thickness is, cloud coverage? depth of precip?

 

Thanks still learning,

Kat

The thickness is the distance between those two levels. As it gets colder, that thickness decreases as the cold air is more dense. As the thickness gets lower, the chance for winter precip goes up. The P-type nomograms depict the thickness and displays the precip type based on that thickness.   On the nomograms I have, if you scroll down below the first graph, there is another graph, if you hover over each section, it describes in more detail  what happens if precip falls into those thicknesses. 

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Anybody know what's up with the hole over NE GA on FFC's map? lol Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk 2

Don't see a hole but if you're talking about the white area... guess what that is!

What is it lol. Usually their graphicasts are pretty self explanatory. I know it isn't rain and sleet don't make sense. Not a precip hole either.

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It's gonna be interesting watching the rest of the 12z runs come in.  NAM at 1pm Friday has my sfc temp at 27 which spells a very nice freezing rain event.  Soundings no longer show any potential for a brief column wetbulb below freezing so this would likely be a sleet to freezing rain type of deal. 

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It's gonna be interesting watching the rest of the 12z runs come in. NAM at 1pm Friday has my sfc temp at 27 which spells a very nice freezing rain event. Soundings no longer show any potential for a brief column wetbulb below freezing so this would likely be a sleet to freezing rain type of deal.

seems to be more waa in the midlevel. But that also brings in more qpf
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For North Georgia folks, is there any similarity between this storm and the mini ice storm of December 2010.  That  one had minimal precipitation but cold temps and cold ground made it a driving nightmare.

 

What a nightmare for so little freezing rain! Cheston, if it were my guess, this actually reminds me a little more of January 2000, especially if there is more than .25 of ice accretion. This one might be a little nasty.

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How is that derived when soundings for even my back yard in far NE GA pretty much show freezing rain?

 

The run a post-processing algorithm that is applied to the model using certain parameters like temperatures/thicknesses at certain levels, wet-bulb temperatures, etc. YOu always use literal model snow forecasts with a grain of salt.

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The run a post-processing algorithm that is applied to the model using certain parameters like temperatures/thicknesses at certain levels, wet-bulb temperatures, etc. YOu always use literal model snow forecasts with a grain of salt.

Of course.  It's just that usually the maps line up a little better with sounding P-Types so that's why i asked.  :)

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Would be nice to see the nam gain support from other models. It can be used in conjunction with them, but alone it is virtuallly useless this far out IMO. If the euro/gfs/ggem can come in with a higher QPF output, it could be time to get excited for something more than a nuisance event. We shall see.

The EE rule still applies!

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Soundings at Hickory seem to indicate start as snow then go to sleet.  With the melting layer at 700/800 mb, there's still a lot of cold air to fall through below that with temps ranging from -4 to -8 C.  I would assume then it would be able to refreeze before hitting the ground.  Thus, sleet as opposed to freezing rain.

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What a nightmare for so little freezing rain! Cheston, if it were my guess, this actually reminds me a little more of January 2000, especially if there is more than .25 of ice accretion. This one might be a little nasty.

I would take January 2000 over 2010 in a heartbeat.  That one was beautiful and we didn't lose power.

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