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Looks like they closed them too now, 551 schools/districts.

Btw we probably have about .20" icing here at the airport combined with the snow we also received, this probably should have been a WSW.

That's what I've been saying. The icing has been the worst I've seen in awhile. There was a really bad ice storm that hit back when I was in middle school, around '01-02 that was pretty wicked. Don't think I've seen it this bad since then.
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That's what I've been saying. The icing has been the worst I've seen in awhile. There was a really bad ice storm that hit back when I was in middle school, around '01-02 that was pretty wicked. Don't think I've seen it this bad since then.

April 2003, came with hail and lightning too, probably one of the best ice storms I have ever seen.

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Congrats!! Kinda, sorta makes up for the way things have gone lately up there. Just curious, what time did precip start? Was it earlier than progged?

 

Nope. You were right. Dry air was fighting it. First flakes flew a little after 8z.

 

Just over 2" of cement out there. Everything plastered up. Back edge about to come through. Too bad, but even if there was more pcpn to come I'd be switching over to PL shortly so it's no loss either way.

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April 2003, came with hail and lightning too, probably one of the best ice storms I have ever seen.

Did some digging.

 

January 30th, 2002

NEXT...LATE ON THE (January) 30TH...A WEAK LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM MOVED UP ALONG THE FRONT AND CAUSED MORE HEADACHES. AS THE LOW APPROACHED....A ROUND OF WET SNOW WAS DUMPED ACROSS THE ENTIRE REGION THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL SNOWFALLS OF 2-6 INCHES WERE MEASURED (2-DAY STORM TOTALS RANGED FROM 2-4 INCHES NEAR THE OHIO BORDER...TO AS MUCH AS A FOOT IN CENTRAL WASHTENAW/WAYNE COUNTIES). AFTER (AND ADDING INSULT TO INJURY)...THE SNOW CHANGED OVER TO A STEADY FREEZING RAIN. WHILE ALL THE REGION SUFFERED FROM THIS FREEZING RAIN...AGAIN THE HARDEST HIT AREAS WERE MAINLY ACROSS WASHTENAW AND WAYNE (ESPECIALLY ALONG THE 1-94 CORRIDOR). REPORTS OF ICE OF 1/2 INCH TO NEAR 3/4 INCH WHERE RECEIVED IN THE NARROW STRIP. REGIONS NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT AREA GENERALLY RECEIVED LESS THAN A 1/2 INCH. TREES AND EVERGREENS WERE OVER-LADEN WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE HEAVY WET SNOW TOPPED OFF BY A THICK LAYER OF ICE! AS ONE WOULD EXPECT...NUMEROUS REPORTS OF DOWNED TREE BRANCHES...POWER LINES AND ACCIDENTS WERE REPORTED BY THE NEWS MEDIA. EVEN AN ISOLATED REPORT OR TWO OF ROOFS COLLAPSING WERE NOTED DUE TO THE WEIGHT OF SNOW AND ICE.

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Then looked up the storm you mentioned...

One of the coldest and snowiest winters in recent years affected most of Southeast Lower Michigan late 2002 into early 2003. Several storms dumped heavy amounts of snow, mainly over extreme Southeast Lower Michigan. This lead to Detroit's ninth snowiest winter on record since 1870 with 60.9 inches measured.  An early spring ice storm on April 3rd-4th crippled portions of Southeast Lower Michigan. A storm center dropped heavy amounts of rain and freezing rain along with thunderstorms. This led to a significant icing event with ice build-ups of a 1/4" to around an inch north of an Ann Arbor-Detroit line. By far, the worst of the storm was over Oakland County where up to an inch of ice accumulated. Nearly a half-million customers were without power over Southeast Lower Michigan and some stated it was the worst ice storm since 1976. Over 50 million dollars in damage was accrued as a result of this destructive ice storm.

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We had 0.42" of precip in my rain gauge....2.0" snow....current snow depth is 4" with a firm crust of ice on top of it. Even though its 34F out the snowpack is literally locked in place....for now.

 

I think most will be gone by midnight tonight to be honest. The fog and warmth today is going to do a number on it.

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YYZ and DTW are so similar weather wise

 

Let the melt begin. Fog rolling in and just above freezing

Bite your tongue! LOL I do not want a decrease in snowfall :P J/k SSC I will take 19th-20th century Toronto winters anyday over 21st century Detroit winters, but I gotta say so far Id prefer Detroits winters this century.

 

Jokes aside DTW did end up with an exact match this time at 2.2".

 

BTW SSC, how is Toronto beating you so much in season snowfall (per your sig)?

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Bite your tongue! LOL I do not want a decrease in snowfall :P J/k SSC I will take 19th-20th century Toronto winters anyday over 21st century Detroit winters, but I gotta say so far Id prefer Detroits winters this century.

 

Jokes aside DTW did end up with an exact match this time at 2.2".

 

BTW SSC, how is Toronto beating you so much in season snowfall (per your sig)?

 

 

I gotta a question there is snow reports coming in now. There in the 1.5-2.5" range I think these totals are wrong considering there done 12 hrs after the last snow. What is your thoughts on this?

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I gotta a question there is snow reports coming in now. There in the 1.5-2.5" range I think these totals are wrong considering there done 12 hrs after the last snow. What is your thoughts on this?

You mean some of the snow reports from this mornings temp/precip roundup? Some of those habitually lowball snowfall (Dearborn, grosse pte just to name a few) and in this case even the good observers may have unintentionally lowballed if they measure this morning after a night of freezing rain.

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You mean some of the snow reports from this mornings temp/precip roundup? Some of those habitually lowball snowfall (Dearborn, grosse pte just to name a few) and in this case even the good observers may have unintentionally lowballed if they measure this morning after a night of freezing rain.

 

 

I would think you would have to use the reports before midnight. Look at the difference. Even the snow here has lost an inch since midnight last night. 

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Bite your tongue! LOL I do not want a decrease in snowfall :P J/k SSC I will take 19th-20th century Toronto winters anyday over 21st century Detroit winters, but I gotta say so far Id prefer Detroits winters this century.

 

Jokes aside DTW did end up with an exact match this time at 2.2".

 

BTW SSC, how is Toronto beating you so much in season snowfall (per your sig)?

 

Can't disagree with the bolded. Seems like you guys can do no wrong the last several winters. Freak gradient in 2009-10, somehow managing ~10" from GHD even though you were deep in the dryslot, Feb 20th, 2011 disaster here that was a dumping of TSSN goodness for you. Doesn't really make sense meteorologically for you to be beating me so consistently but it is what it is.

 

As for the discrepancy between my imby snowfall and Toronto officially, they've had the fortune of getting several inches from a couple of mesolows off Lake Ontario this month that have just brushed me.

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Back edge of snow/freezing rain here now. Picked up 3" during the night.  Still a fairly widespread 12-15" inches on the ground from Leelanau, northeast to here and up to Char.  Spotter a few miles south of me in Central Lake, still reporting 17" pack. Expecting to lose 10"  if the warmup holds as forecasted.  Neighbors were telling me yesterday, locally in this area, there's Winters where the snow has been 40-55" deep at times.  That I'd have to see.  They also said as the lake freezes, the snow doesn't penetrate far inland and can really dump here along to coast.  Excited to see what the rest of the week holds after Tuesdays balmy day.

15% of me is starting to itch for Spring a little bit.

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Can't disagree with the bolded. Seems like you guys can do no wrong the last several winters. Freak gradient in 2009-10, somehow managing ~10" from GHD even though you were deep in the dryslot, Feb 20th, 2011 disaster here that was a dumping of TSSN goodness for you. Doesn't really make sense meteorologically for you to be beating me so consistently but it is what it is.

 

As for the discrepancy between my imby snowfall and Toronto officially, they've had the fortune of getting several inches from a couple of mesolows off Lake Ontario this month that have just brushed me.

Feb 20, 2011 was a disaster to my east (you) and west (Harry) but honestly its one of my favorite winter storms.

 

Yeah we have been lucky, pretty much taking what ma nature gives. Even this year, with all the moaning about what a horrible winter this is, we will be closing January just a few inches shy of normal snowfall to date and maybe 1 or 2 days less snowcover than normal to date. It hasnt been good, but it hasnt been bad, and its certainly no 2011-12. THAT was an absolute disaster winter that, once again, SE MI was able to scrap together enough crumbs that it wasnt the total snowfall disaster it was in many other places, but there will literally NO periods of SUSTAINED winter.

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You mean some of the snow reports from this mornings temp/precip roundup? Some of those habitually lowball snowfall (Dearborn, grosse pte just to name a few) and in this case even the good observers may have unintentionally lowballed if they measure this morning after a night of freezing rain.

 

Yeah, I measured about 2.5" last night after the snow stopped. I sent my intial report in last night.

 

Some snow has been lost though.

 

But overall, it appeared to have been a 2-3" snowfall with 0.1" to 0.2" of ice on top of it. Funny, some thought I was crazy when I said this had good front-end thumping potential. This event actually turned out to be better than the so-called clipper on Friday, at least locally.

 

Had 1" per hour snowfall rates for majority of the event, with fairly fluffy flakes for a WAA event. What that tells me is despite the somewhat marginal surface temps, we had very good lift/moisture in the DGZ. Based on DTW's QPF and total snowfall, ratios were in the ball park of 20:1.

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Yeah, I measured about 2.5" last night after the snow stopped. I sent my intial report in last night.

 

Some snow has been lost though.

 

But overall, it appeared to have been a 2-3" snowfall with 0.1" to 0.2" of ice on top of it. Funny, some thought I was crazy when I said this had good front-end thumping potential. This event actually turned out to be better than the so-called clipper on Friday, at least locally.

 

Had 1" per hour snowfall rates for majority of the event, with fairly fluffy flakes for a WAA event. What that tells me is despite the somewhat marginal surface temps, we had very good lift/moisture in the DGZ. Based on DTW's QPF and total snowfall, ratios were in the ball park of 20:1.

Was yours the report from "Northeast Detroit"? You should send them in more often! Detroit proper rarely has any reports on the PNS statements since DTW and most spotters are in the burbs.

 

And yeah it gets lost in the immediate shuffle because of sleet and freezing rain but the actual SNOW was powdery.

 

Friday we had more snowfall (3.6" Fri, 2.0" last night) but obviously the liquid equivalent of the events (0.15" Fri, 0.42" last night) makes it a no-brainer that last nights was the bigger travel headache.

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torm total snow reports

Location snowfall duration
                          (inches) (hours) lat Lon

... Bay County... 
   2 NE Auburn M 1.8 6 43.62n 84.05w

... Genesee County... 
   4 N Burton M 1.3 6 43.05n 83.62w
   Goodrich M 2.0 6 42.92n 83.51w
   Flint M 2.1 6 43.02n 83.69w
   7 W Flint M 2.2 6 43.02n 83.83w

... Huron County... 
   Bad Axe M 2.1 6 43.80n 83.00w
   Port Hope M 2.4 6 43.94n 82.72w
   5 NNW Filion M 2.8 6 43.96n 83.04w
   Port Austin M 3.0 6 44.04n 83.00w

... Lapeer County... 
   Lapeer M 1.2 6 43.05n 83.32w

... Lenawee County... 
   6 ENE Adrian M 0.5 6 41.93n 83.94w
   Tecumseh M 0.5 6 42.01n 83.94w
   2 WNW Tipton M 2.0 6 42.03n 84.10w

... Livingston County... 
   Howell M 1.0 6 42.61n 83.94w
   1 NW Whitmore Lake M 1.2 6 42.44n 83.76w
   3 NW Pinckney M 1.4 6 42.49n 83.99w

... Macomb County... 
   4 NNW Richmond M 1.2 6 42.86n 82.78w
   SSE Shelby Township M 1.2 6 42.67n 83.03w
   SSE New Baltimore M 1.4 6 42.68n 82.74w
   1 NNW Utica M 2.0 6 42.64n 83.03w
   1 S clintion township M 2.0 6 42.57n 82.92w

... Midland County... 
   2 ENE Midland M 2.0 6 43.63n 84.19w

... Monroe County... 
   3 SW Monroe M 1.2 6 41.89n 83.43w
   Dundee M 2.0 6 41.96n 83.66w
   Monroe M 2.5 6 41.92n 83.39w

... Oakland County... 
   1 NNE Davisburg M 1.5 6 42.77n 83.53w
   Pontiac M 1.8 6 42.65n 83.29w
   1 E Huntington Woods M 2.0 6 42.48n 83.15w
   Farmington M 2.2 6 42.46n 83.38w
   4 E White Lake M 2.4 6 42.65n 83.43w
   West Bloomfield M 2.5 6 42.57n 83.38w
   6 se Oxford M 2.8 4 42.76n 83.17w
   Bloomfield Hills M 3.0 6 42.58n 83.25w
   Holly M 3.0 12 42.80n 83.62w

... Saginaw County... 
   Chesaning M 1.8 6 43.18n 84.12w
   3 NW Saginaw M 2.1 6 43.45n 83.99w
   2 E Merrill M 2.3 6 43.41n 84.30w
   5 W Saginaw M 2.4 5.5 43.42n 84.05w
   1 N Saginaw M 3.0 6 43.43n 83.95w

... Sanilac County... 
   Lexington M 2.0 6 43.27n 82.53w
   Sandusky M 3.0 6 43.42n 82.83w

... Shiawassee County... 
   Owosso M 1.2 6 43.00n 84.18w
   6 WNW Durand M 1.7 6 42.95n 84.10w
   Durand M 1.8 6 42.91n 83.99w
   2 NE Corunna M 2.4 6 43.00n 84.09w

... St. Clair County... 
   2 SSW Port Huron M 1.7 6 42.97n 82.45w
   2 W Port Huron M 1.7 6 42.99n 82.47w
   1 NNW Yale M 3.2 6 43.14n 82.80w
   3 WSW Lakeport M 3.5 6 43.10n 82.55w

... Tuscola County... 
   Vassar M 1.7 6 43.37n 83.58w
   Caro M 2.0 6 43.49n 83.40w

... Washtenaw County... 
   Manchester M 0.8 6 42.15n 84.04w
   4 SW Saline M 1.1 6 42.13n 83.84w
   1 W Ann Arbor M 1.5 6 42.28n 83.75w
   Saline M 1.5 6 42.18n 83.78w
   5 W Plymouth M 2.0 6 42.37n 83.57w
   Chelsea M 2.0 6 42.31n 84.02w
   ENE Dexter M 2.0 6 42.33n 83.88w
   Milan M 2.1 6 42.09n 83.68w
   se Ann Arbor M 2.4 6 42.28n 83.73w
   Ann Arbor M 2.6 6 42.28n 83.73w

... Wayne County... 
   4 NE Dearborn M 1.0 6 42.35n 83.16w
   Dearborn M 1.0 6 42.31n 83.21w
   2 SW Northville M 1.1 6 42.42n 83.52w
   2 NW Dearborn Heights M 2.0 6 42.35n 83.30w
   Wyandotte M 2.0 6 42.21n 83.16w
   2 NNW Livonia M 2.2 6 42.42n 83.39w
   Romulus M 2.2 6 42.22n 83.37w
   NE Detroit M 2.5 6 42.38n 83.11w
 

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Yeah, I measured about 2.5" last night after the snow stopped. I sent my intial report in last night.

 

Some snow has been lost though.

 

But overall, it appeared to have been a 2-3" snowfall with 0.1" to 0.2" of ice on top of it. Funny, some thought I was crazy when I said this had good front-end thumping potential. This event actually turned out to be better than the so-called clipper on Friday, at least locally.

 

Had 1" per hour snowfall rates for majority of the event, with fairly fluffy flakes for a WAA event. What that tells me is despite the somewhat marginal surface temps, we had very good lift/moisture in the DGZ. Based on DTW's QPF and total snowfall, ratios were in the ball park of 20:1.

Was yours the report from "Northeast Detroit"? You should send them in more often! Detroit proper rarely has any reports on the PNS statements since DTW and most spotters are in the burbs.

 

And yeah it gets lost in the immediate shuffle because of sleet and freezing rain but the actual SNOW was powdery.

 

Friday we had more snowfall (3.6" Fri, 2.0" last night) but obviously the liquid equivalent of the events (0.15" Fri, 0.42" last night) makes it a no-brainer that last nights was the bigger travel headache.

Isn't there a reporter in city airport? Given the poverty in the city, its hardly surprising where priorities lie.... But no official snowfall reports out of downtown is somewhat ridiculous.

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torm total snow reports

Location snowfall duration

                          (inches) (hours) lat Lon

... Bay County... 

   2 NE Auburn M 1.8 6 43.62n 84.05w

... Genesee County... 

   4 N Burton M 1.3 6 43.05n 83.62w

   Goodrich M 2.0 6 42.92n 83.51w

   Flint M 2.1 6 43.02n 83.69w

   7 W Flint M 2.2 6 43.02n 83.83w

... Huron County... 

   Bad Axe M 2.1 6 43.80n 83.00w

   Port Hope M 2.4 6 43.94n 82.72w

   5 NNW Filion M 2.8 6 43.96n 83.04w

   Port Austin M 3.0 6 44.04n 83.00w

... Lapeer County... 

   Lapeer M 1.2 6 43.05n 83.32w

... Lenawee County... 

   6 ENE Adrian M 0.5 6 41.93n 83.94w

   Tecumseh M 0.5 6 42.01n 83.94w

   2 WNW Tipton M 2.0 6 42.03n 84.10w

... Livingston County... 

   Howell M 1.0 6 42.61n 83.94w

   1 NW Whitmore Lake M 1.2 6 42.44n 83.76w

   3 NW Pinckney M 1.4 6 42.49n 83.99w

... Macomb County... 

   4 NNW Richmond M 1.2 6 42.86n 82.78w

   SSE Shelby Township M 1.2 6 42.67n 83.03w

   SSE New Baltimore M 1.4 6 42.68n 82.74w

   1 NNW Utica M 2.0 6 42.64n 83.03w

   1 S clintion township M 2.0 6 42.57n 82.92w

... Midland County... 

   2 ENE Midland M 2.0 6 43.63n 84.19w

... Monroe County... 

   3 SW Monroe M 1.2 6 41.89n 83.43w

   Dundee M 2.0 6 41.96n 83.66w

   Monroe M 2.5 6 41.92n 83.39w

... Oakland County... 

   1 NNE Davisburg M 1.5 6 42.77n 83.53w

   Pontiac M 1.8 6 42.65n 83.29w

   1 E Huntington Woods M 2.0 6 42.48n 83.15w

   Farmington M 2.2 6 42.46n 83.38w

   4 E White Lake M 2.4 6 42.65n 83.43w

   West Bloomfield M 2.5 6 42.57n 83.38w

   6 se Oxford M 2.8 4 42.76n 83.17w

   Bloomfield Hills M 3.0 6 42.58n 83.25w

   Holly M 3.0 12 42.80n 83.62w

... Saginaw County... 

   Chesaning M 1.8 6 43.18n 84.12w

   3 NW Saginaw M 2.1 6 43.45n 83.99w

   2 E Merrill M 2.3 6 43.41n 84.30w

   5 W Saginaw M 2.4 5.5 43.42n 84.05w

   1 N Saginaw M 3.0 6 43.43n 83.95w

... Sanilac County... 

   Lexington M 2.0 6 43.27n 82.53w

   Sandusky M 3.0 6 43.42n 82.83w

... Shiawassee County... 

   Owosso M 1.2 6 43.00n 84.18w

   6 WNW Durand M 1.7 6 42.95n 84.10w

   Durand M 1.8 6 42.91n 83.99w

   2 NE Corunna M 2.4 6 43.00n 84.09w

... St. Clair County... 

   2 SSW Port Huron M 1.7 6 42.97n 82.45w

   2 W Port Huron M 1.7 6 42.99n 82.47w

   1 NNW Yale M 3.2 6 43.14n 82.80w

   3 WSW Lakeport M 3.5 6 43.10n 82.55w

... Tuscola County... 

   Vassar M 1.7 6 43.37n 83.58w

   Caro M 2.0 6 43.49n 83.40w

... Washtenaw County... 

   Manchester M 0.8 6 42.15n 84.04w

   4 SW Saline M 1.1 6 42.13n 83.84w

   1 W Ann Arbor M 1.5 6 42.28n 83.75w

   Saline M 1.5 6 42.18n 83.78w

   5 W Plymouth M 2.0 6 42.37n 83.57w

   Chelsea M 2.0 6 42.31n 84.02w

   ENE Dexter M 2.0 6 42.33n 83.88w

   Milan M 2.1 6 42.09n 83.68w

   se Ann Arbor M 2.4 6 42.28n 83.73w

   Ann Arbor M 2.6 6 42.28n 83.73w

... Wayne County... 

   4 NE Dearborn M 1.0 6 42.35n 83.16w

   Dearborn M 1.0 6 42.31n 83.21w

   2 SW Northville M 1.1 6 42.42n 83.52w

   2 NW Dearborn Heights M 2.0 6 42.35n 83.30w

   Wyandotte M 2.0 6 42.21n 83.16w

   2 NNW Livonia M 2.2 6 42.42n 83.39w

   Romulus M 2.2 6 42.22n 83.37w

   NE Detroit M 2.5 6 42.38n 83.11w

 

I rarely have issues with the Howell reports, but that's quite a lowball.

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