CoastalWx Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It just sucks to have bare ground with this cold..just seems like a waste, but I don't control the weather. This has to be a 1-300 yr screwjie for this part of ern MA. Just a big hole from BOS to the north shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Is the CT river frozen in CT? Blizz? Anyone? Time to walk from one building to another in a tee shirt to grab some food. Wowweeeee here we go It's hard to tell, but from this traffic cam it does look like there are sheets of ice on the CT River at Hartford: http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?a=2354&q=401618 Either way, it's a long way from looking like it does in Quebec: http://www.observatoire-capitale.com/en/virtual-tour/webcams.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Still the coldest weather in a couple of years. Save for a couple of breaks, it looks to linger so we might exceed those averages but time will tell. I'm still waiting to hit my average winter minimum temperature of -8°. I saw your post about your obs time of 7 a.m. impacting your monthly averages earlier. Have you read the Karl, Williams, et al paper on the impacts on average temperatures due to non-midnight observation times? BDL was one of the stations involved in their research (as a control station I believe) and in January the effect can be up to 1.0C on the average temperature depending on the time of day one takes their readings. Here's the link to the paper http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450%281986%29025%3C0145%3AAMTETT%3E2.0.CO%3B2 in case you haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 There will likely be another arctic outbreak sometime in early February as ensemble support for it has continued to grow. Yeah, I still hold out hope for a nice stretch of cold and snow. Typically we have through about mid-February for a good cold infusion though I know we've some in early March (despite what some think). I'm one of those select few that enjoys a good arctic out break... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yeah, I still hold out hope for a nice stretch of cold and snow. Typically we have through about mid-February for a good cold infusion though I know we've some in early March (despite what some think). I'm one of those select few that enjoys a good arctic out break... . Yeah we'll occasionally have a good one in early March. We went 0F, 0F, 3F, and 0F four nights row in March 2007...that was at ORH airport with no radiation, so it was a legit cold airmass. Highs in the teens on two of those days with the 21F the other day setting one of two record low maximums during that stretch. The 0F on 3/7/07 set a record low. That's the last good one we had though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It just sucks to have bare ground with this cold..just seems like a waste, but I don't control the weather. This has to be a 1-300 yr screwjie for this part of ern MA. Just a big hole from BOS to the north shore. Cold and dry sucks. I have like 1-2" OTG at home but it's going to sublimate to nothing unless I see a refresher tomorrow night. Those images Chris posted are laughable. I am at 11.75" season to date on snow. MEH winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I saw your post about your obs time of 7 a.m. impacting your monthly averages earlier. Have you read the Karl, Williams, et al paper on the impacts on average temperatures due to non-midnight observation times? BDL was one of the stations involved in their research (as a control station I believe) and in January the effect can be up to 1.0C on the average temperature depending on the time of day one takes their readings. Here's the link to the paper http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0450%281986%29025%3C0145%3AAMTETT%3E2.0.CO%3B2 in case you haven't seen it. Yes, actually I have read that but I look at it a little differently. It's not really "impacting monthly averages" but it's really impacting monthly averages compared to stations that use 0000-0000 for daily obs and being able to compare the two. I started as a coop observer in the 80s keeping 7a-7a records so I prefer keeping my records consistent. It also allows me to compare my data with other coop data as opposed to the "first order" airport stations which exist for public safety as opposed to climate monitoring. When I was in college I remember having a discussion with one of my professors about keeping records with regard to midnight to midnight or morning to morning. There are pros and cons to each method as one provides calendar day records and the other typically provides climate day monitoring among many arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Pretty common temperature in this area. -17° at my place 15-20 miles west and -19° at KMPV. Yep, lots of high minus teens and low minus twenties. Coldest in VT was Sutton at -30. I think that might be Steve Maleski from Eye on the Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantStickers Anonymous Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It just sucks to have bare ground with this cold..just seems like a waste, but I don't control the weather. This has to be a 1-300 yr screwjie for this part of ern MA. Just a big hole from BOS to the north shore. It's brutal, every storm finds a way to avoid us or fail in our areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonWX Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It's brutal, every storm finds a way to avoid us or fail in our areas. Just south of the city here I still have a coating, bare in direct sun. Low of 2.7 last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yeah we'll occasionally have a good one in early March. We went 0F, 0F, 3F, and 0F four nights row in March 2007...that was at ORH airport with no radiation, so it was a legit cold airmass. Highs in the teens on two of those days with the 21F the other day setting one of two record low maximums during that stretch. The 0F on 3/7/07 set a record low. That's the last good one we had though. Yeah, it's been a while. The one I'm thinking of was 3/4/2004. I had a high of 13° that (ironically, the same as my high yesterday). The low was zero and warmed up the next day so it was a quick but potent blast. My notes aren't great back then as I was just going through the motions of my 7am ob, but at least I have the temps. My latest below zero record is the 19th back in 1993 but again, I only have 28 years of records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantStickers Anonymous Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Just south of the city here I still have a coating, bare in direct sun. Low of 2.7 last night Yeah I've got little coatings scattered around town, especially in backyards, and last night was dam cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yes, actually I have read that but I look at it a little differently. It's not really "impacting monthly averages" but it's really impacting monthly averages compared to stations that use 0000-0000 for daily obs and being able to compare the two. I started as a coop observer in the 80s keeping 7a-7a records so I prefer keeping my records consistent. It also allows me to compare my data with other coop data as opposed to the "first order" airport stations which exist for public safety as opposed to climate monitoring. When I was in college I remember having a discussion with one of my professors about keeping records with regard to midnight to midnight or morning to morning. There are pros and cons to each method as one provides calendar day records and the other typically provides climate day monitoring among many arguments. As long as you keep your method the same, it won't affect it comparing to your own averages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Our town is holding it's annual kids ice fishing tournament this saturday on Coventry lake and they need 6" of ice to safely hold the event. As of this morning the lake has 8" of ice, so they are good to go. I am curious as to if the Willimantic River is frozen over at Merrow Meadow, I'll check it out later on this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yes the CT river was frozen this morning. I drive over the Charter Oak and it was iced over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yes the CT river was frozen this morning. I drive over the Charter Oak and it was iced overtest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Test. Cold. Phone. Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Works - thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Temp has zoomed all the way up to 3.9 here in St. Johnsbury (from the low of -22). What a torch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Yes, actually I have read that but I look at it a little differently. It's not really "impacting monthly averages" but it's really impacting monthly averages compared to stations that use 0000-0000 for daily obs and being able to compare the two. I started as a coop observer in the 80s keeping 7a-7a records so I prefer keeping my records consistent. It also allows me to compare my data with other coop data as opposed to the "first order" airport stations which exist for public safety as opposed to climate monitoring. When I was in college I remember having a discussion with one of my professors about keeping records with regard to midnight to midnight or morning to morning. There are pros and cons to each method as one provides calendar day records and the other typically provides climate day monitoring among many arguments. IMO, midnight-midnight comes much closer to what an avg of 24 hourly readings would produce than 7A-7A (or 4P-4P, which I've seen though less than commonly), and is thus a better read on reality. However, apples-to-apples for a given location, especially one with a long period of record, can be more important. Other than for cocorahs (7A), my ops time has been 9P since we moved to N.Maine in 1/76. It's as close to midnight as prudent for one whose day begins at 5A, and probably works out to a couple tenths milder than midnight obs. On over 90% of days both times will yield the same numbers; yesterday my afternoon high of -3 was "negated" by the 2F reading at 9 the previous evening. This cold snap stands out from recent years because of duration more than actual temps, as 2009 was nearly 20F colder than I've seen thus far. However, that was a 2-day event, and just about every cold blast has been 1-2 days since 2004. This one looks to give me double-digit negatives for at least 4 days, maybe up to 6 depending on whether we get clouds from tomorrow night's whiff, and probably 5 in a row with highs in teens or singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Feels like crap out there even for a brief walk to the mailbox. KCON noontime reading: Overcast and Breezy 8°F Wind Speed NW 22 G 29 mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 IMO, midnight-midnight comes much closer to what an avg of 24 hourly readings would produce than 7A-7A (or 4P-4P, which I've seen though less than commonly), and is thus a better read on reality. However, apples-to-apples for a given location, especially one with a long period of record, can be more important. Other than for cocorahs (7A), my ops time has been 9P since we moved to N.Maine in 1/76. It's as close to midnight as prudent for one whose day begins at 5A, and probably works out to a couple tenths milder than midnight obs. On over 90% of days both times will yield the same numbers; yesterday my afternoon high of -3 was "negated" by the 2F reading at 9 the previous evening. This cold snap stands out from recent years because of duration more than actual temps, as 2009 was nearly 20F colder than I've seen thus far. However, that was a 2-day event, and just about every cold blast has been 1-2 days since 2004. This one looks to give me double-digit negatives for at least 4 days, maybe up to 6 depending on whether we get clouds from tomorrow night's whiff, and probably 5 in a row with highs in teens or singles. Yeah, (and I'm sorry for being OT in a discussion about the cold) I agree some what with your points but I don't agree that midnight to midnight is more representative of an average 24 hour reading. While it does represent what occurred on a calendar day, I recall their being some validity doing it AM to AM to represent a meteorological day. As you pointed out, your afternoon high of -3 was negated by the previous nights temp. In my opinion that doesn't represent what happened during the day. You almost have to make note of it in your comments, which I do if my min was recorded the previous day. Anyway, just our opinions! Like you and others have said, it's important to remain consistent! I'm sure you enjoy having a long record going back to the 70s. I wish I had data going back a few more years but I was too young to start. Temp is up to 16° but should start heading down in the next hour or so (I have a hill to my west). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 ORH torching to 13F today...prob hits 14F after yesterdays 11F. Yesterday was 5/13 for me. Today so far is -2/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Looks like it wasn't Tuesday though. Quabbin still unfrozen in MA also? I was told over the weekend by a local that little Sebago was still totally unfrozen. Looks like one of the big lakes in that area was still open per that shot. My snow is sublimating away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Brutal walking around campus today...not because of the cold but because everyone bi***ing Woahsorry thay didn't get edited first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I was told over the weekend by a local that little Sebago was still totally unfrozen. Looks like one of the big lakes in that area was still open per that shot. My snow is sublimating away. Sebago is always notorious for freezing later in the season due to it's depth. 300ft+. It's the deepest lake in Maine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I must say, the cold actually really hasn't bothered me as much as it used to in past years. Perhaps I'm just dressing properly but walking around Hartford yesterday and last night and going outside just now I wasn't freaking out trying to get inside. Actually makes me miss the brutal cold I felt up in LSC back in 2006-2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I must say, the cold actually really hasn't bothered me as much as it used to in past years. Perhaps I'm just dressing properly but walking around Hartford yesterday and last night and going outside just now I wasn't freaking out trying to get inside. Actually makes me miss the brutal cold I felt up in LSC back in 2006-2007. Maybe you eclipsed 115 lbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Sebago is always notorious for freezing later in the season due to it's depth. 300ft+. It's the deepest lake in Maine. Right, huge difference between Sebago and Winnipesaukee. They are only about 100 feet different on max depth (316 vs. 212), but over 50 feet different in average depth (107 ft to 40-45 ft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Maybe you eclipsed 115 lbs? When I was in elementary school and part of middle school the cold never bothered me. I would be outside in just a light jacket but then I started getting older and the cold just sucked. I would cramp up and my body would get all stiff and it would suck. But that hasn't happened to me so far and I'm finding myself enjoying the cold at times but it all depends on how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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