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Based off of what I see so far I am willing to bet Mount holly goes with a WWA over warnings for extreme south jersey and de. The dynamics will be there for heavier precip but even at that some of it will be washed a way buy rain before going over to snow. The lower end of there totals have a better chance of Happening. I think it would be the safe thing to do for now Unless things are more impressive as the event is happening.

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The other problem that parts of the Mid-Atlantic has is the warm temperatures and rainfall they've had this week. Over the past 2 days Richmond has picked up 2 inches of rainfall. My dad said the ground is pretty saturated. So temperatures are going to have to get cold enough to allow the snow to accumulated on those wet surfaces. Sure they'll get some on grassy areas but I don't think they'll see as much as they hope to see. 

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The other problem that parts of the Mid-Atlantic has is the warm temperatures and rainfall they've had this week. Over the past 2 days Richmond has picked up 2 inches of rainfall. My dad said the ground is pretty saturated. So temperatures are going to have to get cold enough to allow the snow to accumulated on those wet surfaces. Sure they'll get some on grassy areas but I don't think they'll see as much as they hope to see. 

I'm a bit skeptic of that sentiment with this setup for two reasons. #1 is that there could be some sleet before the changeover, and snow could/should be able to accumulate more on top of that layer instead of just the ground. #2 is most folks in the 2-4"+ zone should see a nice "thump" of snow as it changes over, with the good rates overcoming the ground issues more quickly. We saw both of these things play out during "Commutageddon" in January 2011 when a similar disturbance with strong dynamics rolled through around the same time of day.

I suspect there could be some loss of snow accumulation, but not as much as some of the other events around here. Of course, the northern edge of the snow will probably be facing some initial accumulation issues due to lower rates.

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The system is very dynamic...I think we have to keep that in mind before jumping ship based off of one model run.

Sure this can make minor 25 mile shifts north or south but you have to remember what dynamical means for theses type systems. If you are under the best dyanmics you usually fair out well while places just a few miles from you might be getting nothing  You never want to be outside of the best velocity forcing or frontogensis or else you are going to get shafted badly. someone could see 2-4 inches down your way or extreme south jersey while others seen nothing. Or you get weak precip rates and it is all rain falling with a few flakes from time to time.

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To be fair.... I could be biased.... From what I've heard I still get some precip down here even with the south trend on the nam.

You do... maybe a tenth... but the BL is warm so I wouldn't think about accumulation if I was just basing my forecast on the 18Z NAM.

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A PERIOD OF ACCUMULATING SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING THURSDAY
EVENING. WHATEVER PRECIPITATION THAT BEGINS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS
RAIN OR RAIN/SNOW MIXTURE IS EXPECTED TO TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW
AROUND OR SHORTLY AFTER SUNSET. ONCE THE TRANSITION OCCURS, IT
SHOULD REMAIN ALL SNOW AS THE AIR ABOVE THE SURFACE IS FORECAST TO
REMAIN BELOW FREEZING. ANY SNOW THAT HAD A HARD TIME ACCUMULATING
DURING THE AFTERNOON IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ACCUMULATING DURING THIS
TIME. FOR NOW, THE GREATEST POTENTIAL FOR SNOW ACCUMULATION IS
EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW JERSEY AND
CENTRAL/SOUTHERN DELMARVA. SNOWFALL COULD REACH THE DELAWARE
VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR, BUT NORTH OF THAT, WE ARE NOT EXPECTING MUCH
SINCE THERE COULD BE A SHARP CUTOFF LINE. THE AREAS ALONG THE
DELAWARE VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE MORE THAN A
COATING TO AN INCH
. FURTHER SOUTH ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW
JERSEY/CENTRAL SOUTHERN DELMARVA WE COULD SEE ANYWHERE FROM 2-6
INCHES. THE LOW PRESSURE THAT WILL BE PRODUCING THE SNOW IS
EXPECTED TO MOVE THROUGH AT A FAIR PACE, SO IT WILL NOT BE AROUND
ALL NIGHT LONG. THE SNOW SHOULD BEGIN TAPERING OFF FROM WEST TO
EAST AROUND MIDNIGHT, AND SHOULD BE MOSTLY OUT OF THE AREA BY
DAYBREAK FRIDAY.



 

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A PERIOD OF ACCUMULATING SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING THURSDAY

EVENING. WHATEVER PRECIPITATION THAT BEGINS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS

RAIN OR RAIN/SNOW MIXTURE IS EXPECTED TO TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW

AROUND OR SHORTLY AFTER SUNSET. ONCE THE TRANSITION OCCURS, IT

SHOULD REMAIN ALL SNOW AS THE AIR ABOVE THE SURFACE IS FORECAST TO

REMAIN BELOW FREEZING. ANY SNOW THAT HAD A HARD TIME ACCUMULATING

DURING THE AFTERNOON IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ACCUMULATING DURING THIS

TIME. FOR NOW, THE GREATEST POTENTIAL FOR SNOW ACCUMULATION IS

EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW JERSEY AND

CENTRAL/SOUTHERN DELMARVA. SNOWFALL COULD REACH THE DELAWARE

VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR, BUT NORTH OF THAT, WE ARE NOT EXPECTING MUCH

SINCE THERE COULD BE A SHARP CUTOFF LINE. THE AREAS ALONG THE

DELAWARE VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE MORE THAN A

COATING TO AN INCH. FURTHER SOUTH ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW

JERSEY/CENTRAL SOUTHERN DELMARVA WE COULD SEE ANYWHERE FROM 2-6

INCHES. THE LOW PRESSURE THAT WILL BE PRODUCING THE SNOW IS

EXPECTED TO MOVE THROUGH AT A FAIR PACE, SO IT WILL NOT BE AROUND

ALL NIGHT LONG. THE SNOW SHOULD BEGIN TAPERING OFF FROM WEST TO

EAST AROUND MIDNIGHT, AND SHOULD BE MOSTLY OUT OF THE AREA BY

DAYBREAK FRIDAY.

This would officially put KPHL past 1 inch for the season IF!!!!!!! it happens.

 

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A PERIOD OF ACCUMULATING SNOW IS EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING THURSDAY

EVENING. WHATEVER PRECIPITATION THAT BEGINS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS

RAIN OR RAIN/SNOW MIXTURE IS EXPECTED TO TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW

AROUND OR SHORTLY AFTER SUNSET. ONCE THE TRANSITION OCCURS, IT

SHOULD REMAIN ALL SNOW AS THE AIR ABOVE THE SURFACE IS FORECAST TO

REMAIN BELOW FREEZING. ANY SNOW THAT HAD A HARD TIME ACCUMULATING

DURING THE AFTERNOON IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ACCUMULATING DURING THIS

TIME. FOR NOW, THE GREATEST POTENTIAL FOR SNOW ACCUMULATION IS

EXPECTED ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW JERSEY AND

CENTRAL/SOUTHERN DELMARVA. SNOWFALL COULD REACH THE DELAWARE

VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR, BUT NORTH OF THAT, WE ARE NOT EXPECTING MUCH

SINCE THERE COULD BE A SHARP CUTOFF LINE. THE AREAS ALONG THE

DELAWARE VALLEY/I-95 CORRIDOR ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE MORE THAN A

COATING TO AN INCH. FURTHER SOUTH ACROSS SOUTHERN AND COASTAL NEW

JERSEY/CENTRAL SOUTHERN DELMARVA WE COULD SEE ANYWHERE FROM 2-6

INCHES. THE LOW PRESSURE THAT WILL BE PRODUCING THE SNOW IS

EXPECTED TO MOVE THROUGH AT A FAIR PACE, SO IT WILL NOT BE AROUND

ALL NIGHT LONG. THE SNOW SHOULD BEGIN TAPERING OFF FROM WEST TO

EAST AROUND MIDNIGHT, AND SHOULD BE MOSTLY OUT OF THE AREA BY

DAYBREAK FRIDAY.

This would officially put KPHL past 1 inch for the season IF!!!!!!! it happens.

 

they are already past 1 inch for the season

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What features are the SREFs and GFS capturing that the Euro and NAM aren't that they are so divergent for South and Coastal Jersey?  Or vice versa.  PHL is mostly out of play on this one, but those of us on the coast in the Mt. Holly CWA are given hope by the former.

 

it all comes down to how strong and how far north that vort gets. Also, how far south that pv is.

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