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Storm Obs and discussion 1/15-1/16


Mr Torchey

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Snowing at 1-2 inches per hour during rush hour during an advisory event might as well be a 12" snowstorm...that's what we had this morning. Bad timing creates havoc since people often just see that they are only supposed to get 4" of snow and don't look at when it might fall or how intense.

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We all lead busy lives now. Rush rush rush. There's not enough time in the morning to allow yourself an extra 20-30 mins to get to where you need to go. People get perturbed when they can't drive 80mph.

I always say, in  a hurry to get nowhere fast, life has its way of slowing you down eventually

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Snowing at 1-2 inches per hour during rush hour during an advisory event might as well be a 12" snowstorm...that's what we had this morning. Bad timing creates havoc since people often just see that they are only supposed to get 4" of snow and don't look at when it might fall or how intense.

impact based warnings in the future? advisory is to warning like Ball Park is to Stadium, seems so mellow. I remember very well the travelers advisory, I knew I was fuked for heavy snow.

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Just got home...saw a couple of bad accidents today.

-SN now and we're in the suckerhole currently, but 3.6" new with only 0.25" water equiv. According to my gf there was good snow growth late morning into the early afternoon.

She is right.  Was a nice scene for a couple of hours.  I think we are done though unless that band to our north and nw rotates down. looks like northern nh into central maine are doing very well.  Is that a deformation band up there?

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impact based warnings in the future? advisory is to warning like Ball Park is to Stadium, seems so mellow. I remember very well the travelers advisory, I knew I was fuked for heavy snow.

 

http://nws.weather.gov/haz_simp/messages.php?wfo=gyx

 

This is the latest attempt to make things more clear. The plain language actually sounds pretty good, even in complicated headline scenarios. Today we're "advising caution" because of snow, in a more significant storm we would be warning of a "dangerous snowstorm."

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She is right.  Was a nice scene for a couple of hours.  I think we are done though unless that band to our north and nw rotates down. looks like northern nh into central maine are doing very well.  Is that a deformation band up there?

A little leftover 700-850mb lift. I was hoping that was going to linger over our area until evening on yesterday, but obviously it's looking better for NNE. The tail end is trying to drop over me now.
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She is right.  Was a nice scene for a couple of hours.  I think we are done though unless that band to our north and nw rotates down. looks like northern nh into central maine are doing very well.  Is that a deformation band up there?

Looks like one more band for us...looks like it should slide through based on radar trends. Maybe another 1/2 inch

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This morning's drive south from Portland was brutal. I think it was a combination of the timing and the fact that, because it wasn't billed as a blockbuster storm and didn't prompt any closures, you had the full volume of people on the roads trying to drive like they normally would on dry pavement.

 

I'll also add that, at least anecodotally, a lot of people along the coast were assuming it would be raining this morning. Don't know if that was based on local media forecasts, or just the assumption that it wouldn't be cold enough.

Same here. Drive from Raymond to PWm took 75min, when it usually takes 30'. Just a caterpillar of cars.

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This is the battle we as meteorologists wage. It wasn't billed as a big storm because it isn't a big storm. It's a standard advisory type snow event, nothing really all that special about it. If we were to play up the significance of the storm we run into problems when a big nor'easter really tracks up the coast. That's how you end up with tornado emergencies and the like, "no this time we really mean it."

 

Plus there seems to be a thinking that lightly falling snow is less slippery than +SN with <1/4 mile visibility.  WRONG!  I've almost never seen a bad accident during really heavy snow - the heavier it snows, the more traffic slows.  When visibility is a mile plus, many folks seem into "business as usual" driving, with some very messy results.

 

It's been -SN all day here at work in AUG, but was quite slick for the morning commute with only 1/4" having fallen.  Looks like we're still short of 2", and some blades of grass still sticking theu.

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I always say, in  a hurry to get nowhere fast, life has its way of slowing you down eventually

wise words,   I had a very common ex: driving last night.   a car full of kids flew through a red light,  while I stopped for it.  it was yellow but clearly going to be red.   From experience I knew the next light  1/2 mile down the road would be red.    

 

sure enough,  I didn't have to brake and passed the kids.   ;)

 

anyway,  around 6" here,  a nice little snowfall.

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A little leftover 700-850mb lift. I was hoping that was going to linger over our area until evening on yesterday, but obviously it's looking better for NNE. The tail end is trying to drop over me now.

Im in the tail.  When it first arrived 30 minutes ago we had good snow growth and 3/4 vis for awhile.  Not just light snow maybe 1 1/2 to 2 miles vis.  Only 2 1/4" so far.

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Good call all around Ryans station missed its NE CT market by some they had 1-3, general 4-5 there

Got it the first time... Thanks for double posting it! I thought areas to the south of 84 wouldn't do as well with kid level warmth issues but they were able to tick a few tenths of a degree colder for snow.

Sorry you were unhappy with the forecast... Can't win em all.

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Got it the first time... Thanks for double posting it! I thought areas to the south of 84 wouldn't do as well with kid level warmth issues but they were able to tick a few tenths of a degree colder for snow.

Sorry you were unhappy with the forecast... Can't win em all.

Nope was responding to Phil, happy happy happy. 

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Nope was responding to Phil, happy happy happy.

Yeah but you posted the same thing like 3 times lol. I don't really care but you're "they don't pay attention to my backyard" is off base. I actually worked on the forecast for S and E CT specifically and was off by a bit. In retrospect should have broad brushed more 3-5 but we were pretty close to a whole lot of pinging MMK/IJD.

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http://nws.weather.gov/haz_simp/messages.php?wfo=gyx

 

This is the latest attempt to make things more clear. The plain language actually sounds pretty good, even in complicated headline scenarios. Today we're "advising caution" because of snow, in a more significant storm we would be warning of a "dangerous snowstorm."

I like it, the body could be replaced with

 

 HAZARD TYPES...SNOW. THERE IS A LOW PROBABILITY OF SOME LIGHT   FREEZING DRIZZLE THIS EVENING WHEN THE SNOW COMES TO AN END

 

 

 HAZARD TYPES...slippery untreated surfaces due to snow and possibly freezing drizzle, use caution when walking and chewing gum
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Yeah but you posted the same thing like 3 times lol. I don't really care but you're "they don't pay attention to my backyard" is off base. I actually worked on the forecast for S and E CT specifically and was off by a bit. In retrospect should have broad brushed more 3-5 but we were pretty close to a whole lot of pinging MMK/IJD.

only twice  and once was in response to Phil but PMS? geezus dude chill, you nailed the 1-3, just missed a quarter of NE CT .

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only twice and once was in response to Phil but PMS? geezus dude chill, you nailed the 1-3, just missed a quarter of NE CT .

Was just replying to you're "we don't pay attention" comment. Certainly spent a lot of time doing so and it's what I focused on yesterday. To be honest once we thought lower qpf would be the rule yesterday afternoon we shrunk the 3-6 zone to cover less area.

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