Hoosier Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The most intense snowfall rates you can receive east of the Rockies is Buffalo NY and the Tug Hill. I don't think anywhere comes close. We were getting 4-6 inches per hour back in 2001. We received 39 inches in 24 hours in 1995. I was only 8 at the time, but remember it like it was yesterday. I was not alive for the 1977 snowstorm but my dad said he was able to walk off the 2nd floor of his house onto hard snow. Telephone polls were buried... Lake Michigan can come close (at least the southern part, don't know about farther north) at times...I've personally witnessed about 4" per hour in NW IN during a north flow event but the area you mentioned probably does see some of those really high rates more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I know at the same time Buffalo had 82 inches in 2001 Petoskey,MI had 85 inches in the same LES storm and that same event in 1995 that brought Buffalo 39" SSM had 62" Valpo had 22" in 3hrs in 1981. London Ontario had 60" in 3 days in 2010. Buffalo and tug is not the only places with intense LES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 There's that, and I know at least a couple nor'easters have produced 4-6 inch per hour snowfall rates. I recall one time an 8-inch an hour snowfall rate hit Massachusetts in a storm that dropped 20+ inches of snow in isolated spots within 6 hours. I cant even imagine what 8"/hr looks like. I can't even imagine what 4"/hr looks like. A couple of dozen feet of visibility? I don't think I've personally experienced much more than 3"/hr rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I cant even imagine what 8"/hr looks like. I can't even imagine what 4"/hr looks like. A couple of dozen feet of visibility? I don't think I've personally experienced much more than 3"/hr rates. In Mount Pleasant we had 3"/hr rates on a storm, 5" fell in a little over 90 minutes. Probably one of the most incredible snowfalls I ever seen, then it switched to ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 The most intense snowfall rates you can receive east of the Rockies is Buffalo NY and the Tug Hill. I don't think anywhere comes close. We were getting 4-6 inches per hour back in 2001. We received 39 inches in 24 hours in 1995. I was only 8 at the time, but remember it like it was yesterday. I was not alive for the 1977 snowstorm but my dad said he was able to walk off the 2nd floor of his house onto hard snow. Telephone polls were buried... I understand the Tughil being susceptible to intense snowfall rates because of orographic considerations. But why do you consider Buffalo a favored location compared to other snowbelt locations, like Marquette or South Bend? The Tug Hill has the longest fetch. Lake superior to Lake Huron to Lake Ontario. Gaylord/Kalkaska generally has more dominate LES bands than most UP locations as well.... Longer fetch with both lakes feeding the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 NAM relatively bullish with LE in NE IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I cant even imagine what 8"/hr looks like. I can't even imagine what 4"/hr looks like. A couple of dozen feet of visibility? I don't think I've personally experienced much more than 3"/hr rates. Feb 2003 I was in Indian River,MI we had 5" in one hr. Then just like that it stopped. It was the most intense snow I ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Feb 2003 I was in Indian River,MI we had 5" in one hr. Then just like that it stopped. It was the most intense snow I ever seen. I have relatives who live in Indian River...they've told me about that storm. They were amazed by it...and they aren't even weenies like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 NAM relatively bullish with LE in NE IL Nice DGZ from just above the surface to 850 mb...it basically encompasses most of the mixed layer. Inversion heights just aren't that great but we'll have to watch to see if the band tries to stall because there will probably be some pretty good rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Clair Martin of CBC is tweeting that YYZ may be back in the snowsqualls tomorrow. Looksl ike the west end and downtown seems to be getting the jackpot while the east end is high and dry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Clair Martin of CBC is tweeting that YYZ may be back in the snowsqualls tomorrow. Looksl ike the west end and downtown seems to be getting the jackpot while the east end is high and dry! She any good at forecasting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Seems GRR is a little bullish for tomorrow. From AFD. FINALLY... HAVE ISSUED A NEW LAKE EFFECT SNOW ADVISORY FOR JACKSON..EATON AND INGHAM COUNTIES FOR WEDNESDAY BUT NOT INCLUDING TONIGHT.GUIDANCE STRONGLY SUGGESTS AN EXPANDING... POTENTIALLY INTENSE...I-94 CONVERGENCE BAND FROM 15Z-24Z WEDNESDAY. DECIDED TO TAKE THELEAP NOW... TO PROVIDE HEADS UP TO THE LAN/JXN AREAS FOR REDUCEDVSBYS AND SLICK TRAVEL WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. Guess we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 NAM does get the inversion up to around 800 mb or just above over southern Lake Michigan for a while on Thursday...not terrible especially with other favorable factors. It's often a question of how much other factors can compensate and this is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 NAM does get the inversion up to around 800 mb or just above over southern Lake Michigan for a while on Thursday...not terrible especially with other favorable factors. It's often a question of how much other factors can compensate and this is no different. That one event in December that hit by Alek wasn't too bad at all! Inversion heights were not all impressive. 775-800mb I believe. I think a mesolow potential exists with this setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The Tug Hill has the longest fetch. Lake superior to Lake Huron to Lake Ontario. Gaylord/Kalkaska generally has more dominate LES bands than most UP locations as well.... Longer fetch with both lakes feeding the band. I know the Keweenaw snowfall can kick some butt. They don't have that 400" snowfall post up for nothing! How about the areas in the Appalachians that can catch the NW flow from the lakes? Anyone know how well those events perform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 That one event in December that hit by Alek wasn't too bad at all! Inversion heights were not all impressive. 775-800mb I believe. I think a mesolow potential exists with this setup. From GRR AFD.. Regarding meso low.. WINDS GO NORTHERLY THEN OFFSHORE LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY.THIS SCENARIO LOOKS HIGHLY CONDUCIVE TO MESO LOW DEVELOPMENT OVER LKMI DUE TO LAND BREEZE CONVERGENCE AS SKIES CLEAR. WHATEVER MESOFEATURES DEVELOP WILL NEED TO BE MONITORED SINCE THE FLOW GOES SOUTHTHEN SOUTHWEST IN LATER PERIODS... AND COULD LEAD TO A SIGNIFICANTEVENT FOR MKG AND LDM THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 From GRR AFD.. Regarding meso low.. Ok. After it pays a visit to my area first! The RGEM swings over into NE IL. Sticks around for a little while too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 From GRR AFD.. Regarding meso low.. Yup, I love that MKG is referenced in there. I would LOVE that! Oh, and to continue the discussion of heavy snowfalls....last winter(of all winters), Muskegon got 14 inches in 5 hours. It was AWESOME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ok. The RGEM swings over into NE IL. Sticks around for a little while too. That set-up may get MBY from Huron. It's happen plenty times before. Feb 2006 6.5" and Jan 08 4.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 That set-up may get MBY from Huron. It's happen plenty times before. Feb 2006 6.5" and Jan 08 4.5" 4km NAM shows the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Looks like the 4km NAM brings a weakening LE band into MKE/CHI Thursday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 She any good at forecasting? Don't know. She posted a graph on the CBC twitter page. I found that through the CBC Toronto news site.Anthony Farnell is the best forecaster of the local TV networks I think. Tom Brown isn't that great. Dave Duvall was okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 That set-up may get MBY from Huron. It's happen plenty times before. Feb 2006 6.5" and Jan 08 4.5" The NAM shows it nicely like Stebo said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I understand the Tughil being susceptible to intense snowfall rates because of orographic considerations. But why do you consider Buffalo a favored location compared to other snowbelt locations, like Marquette or South Bend? Well the 2 locations you stated are right up there as getting the full fetch of the lake. The Tug can get upstream help as well in conjunction with the full length of Ontario and Orographic lift. Marquette bands look like this. They rarely get a consolidated band over one location. Obviously they get insane yearly snowfall totals because the lake does not freeze and they get more events then the southern lakes. I'd say highest snowfall rates ranks like this in terms of lake effect 1.) Tug 2.) Buffalo 3.) South Bend 4.) GayLord 5.) Marquette. Buffalo Lake effect is a consolidated band when going full tilt. 2 years ago I had 24 straight hours of thunder snow within a band. South Bend does not really compare as north winds well aligned with moisture are very rare and one location does not get hit for an extended period of time and snowfall rates don't get near 5,6 inches per hour. At least from what I've researched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Had a surprise lake effect band set up and train NW to SE over the heart of DTW/Wayne county tonight for a few hours of cold pixie dust. Had 0.3" of rime snow (0.01") with temps around 8F. Whats interesting is the band just sort of developed over DTW....not a band that stretched all the way west to Lake MI. Wintry looking night, snow depth around or just a tick under an inch despite having 1.6" fall the last 2 days (lake stuff settles). The Hi-Res NAM always overdoes qpf, but what it shows is crazy west to east across S MI, through BTL-JXN-ARB-DTW. It at least gives an idea of what kind of bands are possible, rather than the broadbrushed lighter qpf of the GFS. Hoping tomorrow holds some surprises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 If you look at the Euro on Wunderground at hour 39, it actually contours a mesolow over Chicago, Gary, and south LM. Pretty neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Holy snow! It may have weakened a bit, but this snow now is big flakes that pile up! Just since 2 a.m. We have picked up several more inches of snow from the snow showers moving over the lakeshore. Judging from this, I say we could easily get more than 1 to 3 inches when the shortwave moves through. 10 to 12 inches on the ground now with more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 1.2" (2.9 cm) of LES fell yesterday (up to approx 8 am) in downtown Toronto. When I left work last night, I'd say there was just over 2" (maybe 2.5") on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Picked up about 2" total from a persistent LES band yesterday afternoon. Had the perfect setup coming onshore just a hair north of Goderich, ON and extending SE to my backyard for about three hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Picked up about 2" total from a persistent LES band yesterday afternoon. Had the perfect setup coming onshore just a hair north of Goderich, ON and extending SE to my backyard for about three hours. Your long-term average is exactly what Toronto's long term average used to be. Everybody's taking a step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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