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January Pattern and Storm Discussion II


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Thanks for the update. Question..... Is it not silly to look at a potential miller a almost three weeks away??? Just seems funny to me. We cant get the next three days right lol. I was just wondering what kind of weight should we put into that.

Climo, not maps.  If a preponderance of things have occured in a specific time frame, under similar circumstances to present circumstances, then the balance is weighted by some percentage to maybe tip one way or the other..  I'm looking with interest at that time frame now, because I've seen Ice Cream Zen Man do his thing before, and it can instruct and amaze.  Of course, it's weather, and it's weeks away....but watch anyway :)  I feel like the Savannah snow boogie woogie might be cranking up again :thumbsup:  T

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Then it's probably better than the GFS. Check out 18z GFS @54 at 5h vs. NAM 00z @48. NAM is totally plausible. 

I think so too...even though it's not great this far out, it's not worthless IMO...it's a good tool for trends, precip, etc. you should just not take it to the bank.

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Oh, 00z NAM. Giving TN a foot of snow. Gotta love the NAM folks.

 

More conservative and pretty trustworthy SV maps give central TN around 3 with east and west TN around 1 - 2. I should say though based on just the SFC you would think someone would really lollipop and get what the clown map is showing. 

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I believe that was a clipper that ended up having a low form off the coast of SC/NC. Went to bed thinking 1-2" in the foothills and woke up to 8-9" I'm pretty sure that's the same storm.

Jan 23 2003. I think there is a case study on it..... Incredible liquid to snow ratios (something along the order of 49:1). It was a Lee-trough set-up from a clipper type storm.

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Then it's probably better than the GFS. Check out 18z GFS @54 at 5h vs. NAM 00z @48. NAM is totally plausible. 

 

Not sure that's saying a whole lote, which model would you go with 84 hours out?  Nam or Euro or GFS?  Atleast the GFS is in the same vicinity as the Euro.  I will say this, if you tone down the NAM it's probably a good solution for NC.  But we will see in 3 days which model verifies closest.  It's probably somewhere between GFS and Euro.

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Not sure that's saying a whole lote, which model would you go with 84 hours out?  Nam or Euro or GFS?  Atleast the GFS is in the same vicinity as the Euro.  I will say this, if you tone down the NAM it's probably a good solution for NC.  But we will see in 3 days which model verifies closest.  It's probably somewhere between GFS and Euro.

The old golden rule was to have the Nam and Euro match up inside 84 and it was almost like money in the bank. Need the euro to get in the NAM choir tonight and pinch off and slow down some. Robert made a great point about looking at water vapor in 24 hours, we would be able to compare model initilization to what we actually would bei seeing with naked eye. The ULL should be pinching off in TX by Tuesday night.

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Sure is an impressive southern system that is being modeled -- great run for Tennessee. Unfortunately for those of us east of the mountains, BL issues remain. It's actually in the 50s in the CLTmetro region, per the 0z NAM, when precip breaks out. Maybe a changeover at the very end, but a decent 850 mb profile is wasted by surface temps struggling to drop below 40. Waiting on the soundings, but we need to start seeing the models show SOME recognition of dynamic cooling and an infiltration of low level cold air.

 

Pretty cool to see an 850 low pop, though -- nice trend to start just in time for our arctic outbreak. :santa:

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Thanks for the update. Question..... Is it not silly to look at a potential miller a almost three weeks away??? Just seems funny to me. We cant get the next three days right lol. I was just wondering what kind of weight should we put into that.

It is not silly at all. He is one of our best! His contributions are phenomenal.

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