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January 12-14 Potential Winter Weather Event


Hoosier

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wow..Had not looked at them in a while. Figured it would be upper 30s/40.. This one is even warmer. Probably a bit off though i am guessing?

 

Yeah there's significant difference between the contour maps and that plot. Warmest readings I could find on the contour maps were about 42 between here and Holland.

 

Southern end of the lake.

 

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Yeah there's significant difference between the contour maps and that plot. Warmest readings I could find on the contour maps were about 42 between here and Holland.

 

Southern end of the lake.

 

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Not sure why it posted the bottom temps?

 

Hoping this is the surface. Stupid forum wont let me remove/edit out that image.. ugh

 

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Oh and good luck to those to the W/NW. Pretty much a rap here. Looking like mostly rain with perhaps some flurries/sleet/zr at the end.. blah

Pretty much what I was saying earlier. Yesterday it was missing to the southeast...today the local forecast is a mixed bag changing to snow showers. Can not win. 18Z NAM looked good, but now looks like junk in terms of snow.

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Pretty much what I was saying earlier. Yesterday it was missing to the southeast...today the local forecast is a mixed bag changing to snow showers. Can not win. 18Z NAM looked good, but now looks like junk in terms of snow.

 

 

DUDE you are still in the thick of it. EVERYONE nw of Grand Rapids is still in play. SE of there no go. What could potentially screw you is the lake.

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DUDE you are still in the thick of it. EVERYONE nw of Grand Rapids is still in play. SE of there no go. What could potentially screw you is the lake.

Why do you say that? The 00Z NAM now has us getting ice pellets the entire time, the SREFs show the snow northwest, the GFS has us right on the edge. What do you see that I am not seeing? If the 00Z NAM is correct, Chicago will get snow, while my area will be the only area in the Midwest to still be waiting for an actual snow event.

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Why do you say that? The 00Z NAM now has us getting ice pellets the entire time, the SREFs show the snow northwest, the GFS has us right on the edge. What do you see that I am not seeing? If the 00Z NAM is correct, Chicago will get snow, while my area will be the only area in the Midwest to still be waiting for an actual snow event.

Actually there's not much snow for Chicago on the NAM. A good deal of it is sleet.

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Why do you say that? The 00Z NAM now has us getting ice pellets the entire time, the SREFs show the snow northwest, the GFS has us right on the edge. What do you see that I am not seeing? If the 00Z NAM is correct, Chicago will get snow, while my area will be the only area in the Midwest to still be waiting for an actual snow event.

 

No one has been screwed relative to climo more than your area, but to be fair, I highly doubt Chicago gets more snow Sunday than you got Dec 26th.

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Why do you say that? The 00Z NAM now has us getting ice pellets the entire time, the SREFs show the snow northwest, the GFS has us right on the edge. What do you see that I am not seeing? If the 00Z NAM is correct, Chicago will get snow, while my area will be the only area in the Midwest to still be waiting for an actual snow event.

 

You would get sleet in the beginning off the new NAM, but then go over to all snow. Column cools enough around 36 hours.

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No one has been screwed relative to climo more than your area, but to be fair, I highly doubt Chicago gets more snow Sunday than you got Dec 26th.

You would get sleet in the beginning off the new NAM, but then go over to all snow. Column cools enough around 36 hours.

Hmm, Chicago appears to be snow...must be in the middle layers.

Geos, there isn't much precip. left after 36. It is looking like another inch or less event.

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Hmm, Chicago appears to be snow...must be in the middle layers.

Geos, there isn't much precip. left after 36. It is looking like another inch or less event.

 

You looking at the updated maps?

 

This is hr 36

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There is some sleet issues close to here.

 

I'm not putting all my eggs in the NAM basket.

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ALSO MADE SOME TWEAKS TO GRIDS TOMORROW NIGHT FOR PRECIP TYPE. 18Z
SREF AND 00Z WRF-NAM FORECAST SOUNDINGS SUGGEST THAT THE WARM
LAYER ALOFT WILL BE SOMEWHAT MODEST AND HAVE ALSO BACKED OFF ON
THE MAGNITUIDE OF THE LOW LEVEL COLD AIR ADVECTION...BOTH OF WHICH
SHOULD RESULT IN A LESSER (ALBEIT NOT ZERO) THREAT OF FREEZING
RAIN/ICING. MODELS CONTINUE TO ADVERTISE (TO VARYING DEGREES) A
RATHER IMPRESSIVE BAND OF LOW/MID LEVEL FRONTOGENESIS SETTING UP
OVER THE REGION TOMORROW EVENING AS WE GET INTO THE RIGHT ENTRANCE
REGION OF 150KT+ JET. BESIDES THE RATHER IMPRESSIVE MESOSCALE
FORCING IN RESPONSE TO THE STRENGTHENING FRONTAL ZONE...ALSO
CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF STABILITY PRESENT WITH THE FORCING
WITH WRF-NAM TIME/HEIGHT CROSS SECTIONS CONTINUING TO SHOW
STRONGLY NEGATIVE SATURATED EPV VALUES...INDICATIVE OF A HIGHER
POTENTIAL OF EITHER UPRIGHT OR SLANTWISE CONVECTION FORMING AND
LEADING TO LOCALLY MORE INTENSE PRECIPITATION.

INTIALLY...EXPECT A MASSIVE VIRGA STORM TO DEVELOP IN THE EVENING
AS DRY LOW/MID LEVELS BECOME SATURATED FROM THE TOP-DOWN...BUT
ONCE SATURATION OCCURS COULD BE A PERIOD OF MODERATE TO HEAVY
PRECIPITATION WHERE EVER THE FRONTOGENTICALLY DRIVEN PRECIP BAND
SETS UP. P-TYPE IS TRICKY WITH FORECAST SOUNDINGS SUPPORTING
SNOW EXTREME NORTHWEST CWA...AND ALL RAIN ABOUT SE HALF OF THE CWA
WITH A LARGE ZONE IN BETWEEN WHERE SOME SORT OF RAIN/SNOW/SLEET
SMORGASBORD COULD OCCUR. WITH TEMP PROFILES PROGGED TO HUG THE
FREEZING LINE OVER SUCH A DEEP LAYER P-TYPE COULD EVEN END UP
BEING INFLUENCED BY PRECIP INTENSITY...WITH THE MORE INTENSE
CONVECTIVE PRECIP LEADING TO A SLIP OVER TO ALL SNOW. GENERALLY
SPEAKING...BETTER DENDRITIC GROWTH ZONE LOOKS TO LIE WELL ABOVE
THE STRONGEST ASCENT AND WITH TEMPS PROGGED TO BE SOMEWHAT
MARGINAL FOR ACCUMULATION (ESPECIALLY INITIALLY) OVER ALL BUT FAR
NW COUNTIES THE ACCUMULATION POTENTIAL DOESNT APPEAR TO BE ALL
THAT LARGE...ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE LIKELY SHORT DURATION OF THE
EVENT.

DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME CONVECTIVE ENHANCEMENT TO THE
PRECIPITATION POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A QUICK COUPLE INCHES OF
ACCUMULATION IN SPOTS WILL ISSUE AN SPS THIS EVENING TO HIGHLIGHT
THE THREAT. AT THIS DISTANCE...IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST FAVORED AREA
FOR A COUPLE INCHES OF ACCUMULATION WOULD BE FROM NORTH/NORTHWEST
BURBS WEST INTO NC IL...BUT GIVEN WE TALKING ABOUT A MESOSCALE
BAND OF SNOW POTENTIALLY SETTING...THE PREDICTABILITY OVER 24
HOURS OUT OF NAILING THE LOCATION DOWN TO THE COUNTY LEVEL IS NOT
OVERLY HIGH SO STAY TUNED...

IZZI 

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There's little precip after 36hrs.

 

Nevermind I forgot that the precipitation comes before the temperature drop on the maps.

 

So we got the EURO/GGEM/RGEM vs. NAM, GFS camps.

Sounds like Izzi is favoring the foreign models.

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Here is the 00z NAM at 30 hours...colors represent 850 mb temps and lines show 700 mb temps.  It's a bit messy so I outlined the 850 mb 0C contour in black and 700 mb 0C contour in red.  Notice how the 700 mb temps generally lag behind, which is why it's so important to check forecast soundings.

 

 

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Something that has yet to be pointed out, but MKX's update did are the rather low snow:liquid ratios thanks to the warmish upper levels.  Since the ratios are determined by the dendritic growth zone in the atmosphere rather than surface temps, that's the important aspect when it comes to ratios.  Unfortunately, this will hamper accumulation even in the heart of the areas that see mostly or all snow.  MKX is suggesting 10:1 or even lower ratios.

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Here is the 00z NAM at 30 hours...colors represent 850 mb temps and lines show 700 mb temps. It's a bit messy so I outlined the 850 mb 0C contour in black and 700 mb 0C contour in red. Notice how the 700 mb temps generally lag behind, which is why it's so important to check forecast soundings.

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Somewhat amusing how the areas that have been shafted all winter are just to the east of that line. You know I'm grrrrring inside right now, Hoosier. :P
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