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Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread Part 2


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This is exactly why I enjoy living where I do. It's hard to imagine winter without the lake effect... and hard to image summer without the lake breeze convergent thunderstorms. If there were not three massive lakes surrounding me...then my snow/tstorm totals would be cut in half maybe more. Not a huge fan of winter...but there is nothing more pleasant than the summer days of constant afternoon thunderstorms from the lakes. Waterloo is not in the most prime lake effect weather area...but it sure beats living in Toronto...which IMO has the same climate as Indiana or Ohio.  :whistle:

 

1. You are surrounded by three lakes, but don't kid yourself, Huron is essentially the only one that contributes to your seasonal snowfall. Maybe once every five years a dusting from an E-wind streamer makes it to KW from Ontario. You've probably never seen LES from Erie.

 

2. Waterloo > Toronto in terms of snowfall, no doubt. But getting hyperbolic and saying Toronto has the same climate as areas that average 20"/year is kind of dumb. Yeah, it's been like that the last little while, but gauging our climate based on a string of anomalously bad years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus, Indiana and Ohio see a ton more severe wx in the summer, so there's another reason they're not comparable with Toronto.

 

3. How many times you going to change your name ON_WX? :P 

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1. You are surrounded by three lakes, but don't kid yourself, Huron is essentially the only one that contributes to your seasonal snowfall. Maybe once every five years a dusting from an E-wind streamer makes it to KW from Ontario. You've probably never seen LES from Erie.

 

2. Waterloo > Toronto in terms of snowfall, no doubt. But getting hyperbolic and saying Toronto has the same climate as areas that average 20"/year is kind of dumb. Yeah, it's been like that the last little while, but gauging our climate based on a string of anomalously bad years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus, Indiana and Ohio see a ton more severe wx in the summer, so there's another reason they're not comparable with Toronto.

 

3. How many times you going to change your name ON_WX? :P

 

Woah woah woah! We got a diva over herrr'  :lmao:

 

Those lakes(or that lake) make for memorable weather compared to having to rely on synoptic events. And no matter how minuscule the differences between snow totals in KW/Guelph compared to Toronto...it's that margin of difference that makes Toronto the pits to live in for winter weather!  :whistle:

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Woah woah woah! We got a diva over herrr'  :lmao:

 

Those lakes(or that lake) make for memorable weather compared to having to rely on synoptic events. And no matter how minuscule the differences between snow totals in KW/Guelph compared to Toronto...it's that margin of difference that makes Toronto the pits to live in for winter weather!  :whistle:

 

You average about 10" more than Toronto. Spread over an entire winter, it seems like it'd be hardly noticeable. Your exaggerations ("the pits") are inaccurate. And we don't rely solely on synoptic here. About 25-33% of Toronto's seasonal snowfall is lake effect.

 

Once again, I believe the incredible stretch of crap we've endured here in Toronto the last couple of years is colouring your perception of Toronto's winters. And frankly, it's not like KW was a snow lover's paradise in 2009-10 or 2011-12 either.

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You average about 10" more than Toronto. Spread over an entire winter, it seems like it'd be hardly noticeable. Your exaggerations ("the pits") are inaccurate. And we don't rely solely on synoptic here. About 25-33% of Toronto's seasonal snowfall is lake effect.

 

Once again, I believe the incredible stretch of crap we've endured here in Toronto the last couple of years is colouring your perception of Toronto's winters. And frankly, it's not like KW was a snow lover's paradise in 2009-10 or 2011-12 either.

 

All I was saying is it's cool to have lake effect weather compared to not having lake effect weather... then threw in a Toronto joke because I thought you'd get a kick out of it.. lol? We're only like 80km apart it's not like this is the Muskokas come LES season. Seriously, though no hard feelings!

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All I was saying is it's cool to have lake effect weather compared to not having lake effect weather... then threw in a Toronto joke because I thought you'd get a kick out of it.. lol? We're only like 80km apart it's not like this is the Muskokas come LES season. Seriously, though no hard feelings!

 

No hard feelings here. It's called a "debate". :)

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About to give up on snow for the year. There's not much time left for me to get my 4+ inch snow that we should get annually. That's the consequences of living in the lower Ohio Valley.

 

Realistically, I have about a month left to get a 4+ inch snowfall.The extended looks warm here for the next few weeks with 60's and maybe a few 70's after the cold end of this week. To boot, my average high is back to 60 degrees on March 17th.

 

With my luck we will get an arctic outbreak with the precipitation that we need with at the end of March. By then it's too late for me and then I'm stuck with a miserable cold rain with light snow on the backside that doesn't stick. I'd rather it be sunny or stormy and warm. I can see snow in March, but past the 15th, my chances for a 4+ inch snow dwindle to less than five percent until late November.

 

End of rant because I'm starting to get depressed that I haven't seen snow on the ground for more than 24 hours in over two years.

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I'm fine with short bursts. I know I seem like a heat monger sometimes but it's not something I prefer for weeks on end.

 

Yeah, yeah. I see you posting precipitation departure maps in the Feb thread, secretly hoping the drought intensifies...leading to inhumane heat this summer.

 

;)  :P  

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Looking into late February and Early March with respect to the MJO now into Phase 4 and expected to move into Phase 5 before heading toward the Circle of Death one would have to expect that winter might be making an early exit for the region, 4/5 favor warmer temperatures and above normal precip. With the models showing cutters right now it is not surprising given the MJO's current location and projection.

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Looking into late February and Early March with respect to the MJO now into Phase 4 and expected to move into Phase 5 before heading toward the Circle of Death one would have to expect that winter might be making an early exit for the region, 4/5 favor warmer temperatures and above normal precip. With the models showing cutters right now it is not surprising given the MJO's current location and projection.

 

I'd be careful with making those assumptions about the MJO. Model forecasting of its progression has been less than stellar. And as such, corresponding phase and what conditions prevail is also debatable. Not to mention amplitude of the wave. If we look at the FMA temperature and precipitation composites, phase 5 would lead to cooler than normal conditions and wetter than normal for some.

 

 

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I'd be careful with making those assumptions about the MJO. Model forecasting of its progression has been less than stellar. And as such, corresponding phase and what conditions prevail is also debatable. Not to mention amplitude of the wave. If we look at the FMA temperature and precipitation composites, phase 5 would lead to cooler than normal conditions and wetter than normal for some.

 

attachicon.gifFMA MJO temps.png

 

attachicon.gifFMA MJO precip.png

 

Yeah I was looking more at the JFM composites since we are talking mostly the back end of this month touching into next month, plus all bets are off if it does go to the circle of death into Early March.

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Yeah I was looking more at the JFM composites since we are talking mostly the back end of this month touching into next month, plus all bets are off if it does go to the circle of death into Early March.

 

The Euro and GFS ensembles are disappointing for the Morch people, for the first week of March. I still think there's winter left for quite a few in this sub-forum...but northern half is best.

 

But considering this is the silly thread, I better move on with stuff like that. :D 

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The Euro and GFS ensembles are disappointing for the Morch people, for the first week of March. I still think there's winter left for quite a few in this sub-forum...but northern half is best.

 

But considering this is the silly thread, I better move on with stuff like that. :D

 

Yeah we shouldn't discuss important posts in this thread this is for misery and lamenting. :P

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What a miserable POS storm system we have coming in Thursday.  We finally get a setup with enough cold air and the system completely pusses out before it gets here.  Some winters you just can't win, and this clearly will go down as the worst one for this area, hands down.

 

:devilsmiley:

 

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