snowstormcanuck Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 This is exactly why I enjoy living where I do. It's hard to imagine winter without the lake effect... and hard to image summer without the lake breeze convergent thunderstorms. If there were not three massive lakes surrounding me...then my snow/tstorm totals would be cut in half maybe more. Not a huge fan of winter...but there is nothing more pleasant than the summer days of constant afternoon thunderstorms from the lakes. Waterloo is not in the most prime lake effect weather area...but it sure beats living in Toronto...which IMO has the same climate as Indiana or Ohio. 1. You are surrounded by three lakes, but don't kid yourself, Huron is essentially the only one that contributes to your seasonal snowfall. Maybe once every five years a dusting from an E-wind streamer makes it to KW from Ontario. You've probably never seen LES from Erie. 2. Waterloo > Toronto in terms of snowfall, no doubt. But getting hyperbolic and saying Toronto has the same climate as areas that average 20"/year is kind of dumb. Yeah, it's been like that the last little while, but gauging our climate based on a string of anomalously bad years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus, Indiana and Ohio see a ton more severe wx in the summer, so there's another reason they're not comparable with Toronto. 3. How many times you going to change your name ON_WX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 1. You are surrounded by three lakes, but don't kid yourself, Huron is essentially the only one that contributes to your seasonal snowfall. Maybe once every five years a dusting from an E-wind streamer makes it to KW from Ontario. You've probably never seen LES from Erie. 2. Waterloo > Toronto in terms of snowfall, no doubt. But getting hyperbolic and saying Toronto has the same climate as areas that average 20"/year is kind of dumb. Yeah, it's been like that the last little while, but gauging our climate based on a string of anomalously bad years doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Plus, Indiana and Ohio see a ton more severe wx in the summer, so there's another reason they're not comparable with Toronto. 3. How many times you going to change your name ON_WX? Woah woah woah! We got a diva over herrr' Those lakes(or that lake) make for memorable weather compared to having to rely on synoptic events. And no matter how minuscule the differences between snow totals in KW/Guelph compared to Toronto...it's that margin of difference that makes Toronto the pits to live in for winter weather! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Woah woah woah! We got a diva over herrr' Those lakes(or that lake) make for memorable weather compared to having to rely on synoptic events. And no matter how minuscule the differences between snow totals in KW/Guelph compared to Toronto...it's that margin of difference that makes Toronto the pits to live in for winter weather! You average about 10" more than Toronto. Spread over an entire winter, it seems like it'd be hardly noticeable. Your exaggerations ("the pits") are inaccurate. And we don't rely solely on synoptic here. About 25-33% of Toronto's seasonal snowfall is lake effect. Once again, I believe the incredible stretch of crap we've endured here in Toronto the last couple of years is colouring your perception of Toronto's winters. And frankly, it's not like KW was a snow lover's paradise in 2009-10 or 2011-12 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The worst part of LAF weather. It's enjoyable in a sick way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 You average about 10" more than Toronto. Spread over an entire winter, it seems like it'd be hardly noticeable. Your exaggerations ("the pits") are inaccurate. And we don't rely solely on synoptic here. About 25-33% of Toronto's seasonal snowfall is lake effect. Once again, I believe the incredible stretch of crap we've endured here in Toronto the last couple of years is colouring your perception of Toronto's winters. And frankly, it's not like KW was a snow lover's paradise in 2009-10 or 2011-12 either. All I was saying is it's cool to have lake effect weather compared to not having lake effect weather... then threw in a Toronto joke because I thought you'd get a kick out of it.. lol? We're only like 80km apart it's not like this is the Muskokas come LES season. Seriously, though no hard feelings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 It's enjoyable in a sick way. Only for lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Only for lunatics. It's a benchmark of sorts. Looks like the highest one last year was "only" 76. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 All I was saying is it's cool to have lake effect weather compared to not having lake effect weather... then threw in a Toronto joke because I thought you'd get a kick out of it.. lol? We're only like 80km apart it's not like this is the Muskokas come LES season. Seriously, though no hard feelings! No hard feelings here. It's called a "debate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 It's a benchmark of sorts. Looks like the highest one last year was "only" 76. It's awful. But par for the course at LAF. At least I have all those thunderstorms to look forward to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 It's awful. But par for the course at LAF. At least I have all those thunderstorms to look forward to! Here's a stroll down memory lane. July 11, 2011: Time...temp...heat index...dewpoint 5:54PM...95.0°F...118.6°F...82.0°F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Here's a stroll down memory lane. July 11, 2011: Time...temp...heat index...dewpoint 5:54PM...95.0°F...118.6°F...82.0°F This one is much better. June 22, 1992 4:00AM...36.0º...33.3º...34.0º Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 This one is much better. June 22, 1992 4:00AM...36.0º...33.3º...34.0º That kind of cold is an abomination for late June...OTOH, I dig records of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Craving t-storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 That kind of cold is an abomination for late June...OTOH, I dig records of any kind. July 11, 2011 isn't too great either. But I know...you love some high heat and humidity. You live in a great place for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrocks Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 About to give up on snow for the year. There's not much time left for me to get my 4+ inch snow that we should get annually. That's the consequences of living in the lower Ohio Valley. Realistically, I have about a month left to get a 4+ inch snowfall.The extended looks warm here for the next few weeks with 60's and maybe a few 70's after the cold end of this week. To boot, my average high is back to 60 degrees on March 17th. With my luck we will get an arctic outbreak with the precipitation that we need with at the end of March. By then it's too late for me and then I'm stuck with a miserable cold rain with light snow on the backside that doesn't stick. I'd rather it be sunny or stormy and warm. I can see snow in March, but past the 15th, my chances for a 4+ inch snow dwindle to less than five percent until late November. End of rant because I'm starting to get depressed that I haven't seen snow on the ground for more than 24 hours in over two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 July 11, 2011 isn't too great either. But I know...you love some high heat and humidity. You live in a great place for it. I'm fine with short bursts. I know I seem like a heat monger sometimes but it's not something I prefer for weeks on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I'm fine with short bursts. I know I seem like a heat monger sometimes but it's not something I prefer for weeks on end. Yeah, yeah. I see you posting precipitation departure maps in the Feb thread, secretly hoping the drought intensifies...leading to inhumane heat this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I've seen enough. Towel has been tossed for the LAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I've seen enough. Towel has been tossed for the LAF. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Got a bit feisty in here tonight, and by 2 Canadians of all people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 :o Cutter, cutter, cutter, cutter, LAF climo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I've seen enough. Towel has been tossed for the LAF. 2012-14.png Yep, I think winter is down and out for the count for this area! Always next winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Looking into late February and Early March with respect to the MJO now into Phase 4 and expected to move into Phase 5 before heading toward the Circle of Death one would have to expect that winter might be making an early exit for the region, 4/5 favor warmer temperatures and above normal precip. With the models showing cutters right now it is not surprising given the MJO's current location and projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Looking into late February and Early March with respect to the MJO now into Phase 4 and expected to move into Phase 5 before heading toward the Circle of Death one would have to expect that winter might be making an early exit for the region, 4/5 favor warmer temperatures and above normal precip. With the models showing cutters right now it is not surprising given the MJO's current location and projection. I'd be careful with making those assumptions about the MJO. Model forecasting of its progression has been less than stellar. And as such, corresponding phase and what conditions prevail is also debatable. Not to mention amplitude of the wave. If we look at the FMA temperature and precipitation composites, phase 5 would lead to cooler than normal conditions and wetter than normal for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I'd be careful with making those assumptions about the MJO. Model forecasting of its progression has been less than stellar. And as such, corresponding phase and what conditions prevail is also debatable. Not to mention amplitude of the wave. If we look at the FMA temperature and precipitation composites, phase 5 would lead to cooler than normal conditions and wetter than normal for some. FMA MJO temps.png FMA MJO precip.png Yeah I was looking more at the JFM composites since we are talking mostly the back end of this month touching into next month, plus all bets are off if it does go to the circle of death into Early March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Yeah I was looking more at the JFM composites since we are talking mostly the back end of this month touching into next month, plus all bets are off if it does go to the circle of death into Early March. The Euro and GFS ensembles are disappointing for the Morch people, for the first week of March. I still think there's winter left for quite a few in this sub-forum...but northern half is best. But considering this is the silly thread, I better move on with stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The Euro and GFS ensembles are disappointing for the Morch people, for the first week of March. I still think there's winter left for quite a few in this sub-forum...but northern half is best. But considering this is the silly thread, I better move on with stuff like that. Yeah we shouldn't discuss important posts in this thread this is for misery and lamenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 What a miserable POS storm system we have coming in Thursday. We finally get a setup with enough cold air and the system completely pusses out before it gets here. Some winters you just can't win, and this clearly will go down as the worst one for this area, hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 What a miserable POS storm system we have coming in Thursday. We finally get a setup with enough cold air and the system completely pusses out before it gets here. Some winters you just can't win, and this clearly will go down as the worst one for this area, hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I've seen enough. Towel has been tossed for the LAF. 2012-14.png lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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