Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread Part 2

[cyclone77]

I'll trade.

 

I've had 2:

1/1 - 1.2"

2/2 - 1.2"

 

Maybe March 3rd will give me another 1.2" to blow around. I haven't seen 6" on the ground since the GHD storm, and that was mostly ice pellets.

 

 

lol you win.  Let's hope for a decent finish to this craptastic disaster of a winter.

[IWXwx]

I'll trade.

 

I've had 2:

1/1 - 1.2"

2/2 - 1.2"

 

Maybe March 3rd will give me another 1.2" to blow around. I haven't seen 6" on the ground since the GHD storm, and that was mostly ice pellets.

We need to rename the thread. "The kbotc Memorial Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread Part 2"

[Hoosier]

Discouraging 00z runs as far as the storm early next week (Euro still pending). Purely anecdotal evidence but over the years it seems like when the models lose a snowstorm to the north, it's very hard to bring it back.

[Harry]

Discouraging 00z runs as far as the storm early next week (Euro still pending). Purely anecdotal evidence but over the years it seems like when the models lose a snowstorm to the north, it's very hard to bring it back.

 

Why i have always said it is best to wait till the threat is FULLY INSIDE of 120hrs before starting a storm thread. Thankfully atleast nobody took the bait with these fantasy range threats.

 

I miss the days when models would have a threat and it vanish for a day or so and then come back and end up stronger.

[kbotc]

We need to rename the thread. "The kbotc Memorial Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread Part 2"

I will accept that honor. The daffodils next to my house broke ground in December this year, but today was the first time the crocus blooms have opened. Oh well.

 

[Jonger]

We need to rename the thread. "The kbotc Memorial Winter '12/'13 Complaint Thread Part 2"

I will accept that honor. The daffodils next to my house broke ground in December this year, but today was the first time the crocus blooms have opened. Oh well.

 

We have 15-20 inches of frost here.

[SpartyOn]

My crocus always pop in late Feb. Could have the most epic cold winter but they dont give a ****. Once the sun gets warmer its off and running.

[andyhb]

My crocus always pop in late Feb. Could have the most epic cold winter but they dont give a ****. Once the sun gets warmer its off and running.

 

Forgive me for my immaturity, but that sounds really bad.  

[Northern_IN_Wx]

Rain Monday night and then a mix to rain to dry slot to light snow showers/flurries late in the week...imby.  Very depressing.  I just need to move...maybe the top of a mountain somewhere. 

[wisconsinwx]

Birds chirping and a cold rain this morning with a clipper system.  Another bust, too, if you can call a dusting at best with what was supposed to be 1-2" of snow a bust.  Next week can't come soon enough.

[BowMeHunter]

Birds chirping and a cold rain this morning with a clipper system.  Another bust, too, if you can call a dusting at best with what was supposed to be 1-2" of snow a bust.  Next week can't come soon enough.

 

you really thought we were getting 1-2"?  was it tasty biting in to the turd nuggets the mke office was trying to send up river.

[Hoosier]

Rain Monday night and then a mix to rain to dry slot to light snow showers/flurries late in the week...imby. Very depressing. I just need to move...maybe the top of a mountain somewhere.

Not buying the late week event huh?

[wisconsinwx]

you really thought we were getting 1-2"?  was it tasty biting in to the turd nuggets the mke office was trying to send up river.

 

No, I knew it, I just laugh at their optimism and being wedded to these models.  I have gone conservative with my predictions all year and it has generally paid off.

[Northern_IN_Wx]

Not buying the late week event huh?

Just looks like a classic north of I-80 event to me.  And I have that 'it isn't our year' kind of feel. Just hard to get excited about some front end snow/mix/crap that changes over to rain or dry slots. Looks to be a fascinating storm to watch materialize though. I'm off work late next week...might have to travel for this one.  Hopefully I'm wrong and there will be no need to travel

[Hoosier]

Just looks like a classic north of I-80 event to me. And I have that 'it isn't our year' kind of feel. Just hard to get excited about some front end snow/mix/crap that changes over to rain or dry slots. Looks to be a fascinating storm to watch materialize though. I'm off work late next week...might have to travel for this one. Hopefully I'm wrong and there will be no need to travel

I hear ya. I'm thinking about traveling if I have to.

[B-Rent]

If we get 3" of sleet again in this storm....I will probably move to Florida.

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[Hoosier]

Active schmactive. Bottom line is that the clock is ticking on getting a big snowstorm here this winter and it won't be long before we have to start hoping for a fluke here in the "tropics." March is generally not kind for LAF, with some exceptions.

[Chicago WX]

Active schmactive. Bottom line is that the clock is ticking on getting a big snowstorm here this winter and it won't be long before we have to start hoping for a fluke here in the "tropics." March is generally not kind for LAF, with some exceptions.

 

Yeah, our big snowstorm climo period is pretty much done. As you say, we're getting close to hoping for a fluke time. I don't like our chances.

[buckeye]

Maybe it's the fact that it's a humdrum Sunday in mid Feb.   But it probably has more to do with the erosion of what was looking like a fantastic storm for most of the forum followed by a continued cold and stormy period.  That's all evaporated into a dismal 12z euro run that can't find a way to keep storms from heading north and west for the next 10 days, taking us to the threshold of March.

 

Today just has that feel of the 'official' unoffical end of winter (for the southeast quad of the subforum).   By 'winter' I mean the weenie season of following threats, looking forward to prospects etc.  Sure, no doubt we have many light slushy snowcoverings (whose demise is brought on quickly by sunshine), still in front of us, but at this time of year on, those become more nuisance and depressing than anything else.   I would bet we have nothing worth tracking from here on out. ....winter's finale is written and it's likely that the end of winter 2012-13 will be as uneventful and forgettable as the beginning of winter 2012-13. 

 

On the good side, no more late nights with euro....and for all of you here (especially Stebo)...much less of me here.       (Until that first SPC mod threat pops up of course)

 

Feel free to bump troll the hell out of this if a March '08-esque event unfolds......but don't count on it.

[WestWind]

Active schmactive. Bottom line is that the clock is ticking on getting a big snowstorm here this winter and it won't be long before we have to start hoping for a fluke here in the "tropics." March is generally not kind for LAF, with some exceptions.

Oddly enough, I lived in Lafayette for about 7 months (January through July, 1998), and the only time it did snow significantly was in March of that year.  About 6 inches as I recall.  And Indy only got a dusting.

 

One thing not to complain about in Lafayette would be thunderstorms.  Lafayette has to be one of the best places in the country for thunderstorms.  Not only because of the number of severe storms.  Also the fact that the storms tend to occur in the evening when there is time to enjoy them.  And the fact that when storms start getting scarce and widely scattered during the middle of summer, Lafayette tends to get the "isolated" thunderstorms better than just about anywhere in the state.  Also if there is a stray storm in the spring or fall they tend to get it.  Lafayette has thunderstorms on 27% of the days in July.  I don't think anyplace nearby does better.  Places in southeastern states such as Florida of course have twice that frequency of storms in the summer, but those tend to be boring pulse thunderstorms without too much action.  If you go west to Missouri, there are more storms, but there the storms tend to occur in the middle of the night as opposed to providing relief from the heat and a pleasant storm to watch in the evening.

 

If I were ever going to live in Indiana again and could choose the city, weathewise it would be Lafayette.

[Chicago WX]

lo freakin l

[IWXwx]

Maybe it's the fact that it's a humdrum Sunday in mid Feb.   But it probably has more to do with the erosion of what was looking like a fantastic storm for most of the forum followed by a continued cold and stormy period.  That's all evaporated into a dismal 12z euro run that can't find a way to keep storms from heading north and west for the next 10 days, taking us to the threshold of March.

 

Today just has that feel of the 'official' unoffical end of winter (for the southeast quad of the subforum).   By 'winter' I mean the weenie season of following threats, looking forward to prospects etc.  Sure, no doubt we have many light slushy snowcoverings (whose demise is brought on quickly by sunshine), still in front of us, but at this time of year on, those become more nuisance and depressing than anything else.   I would bet we have nothing worth tracking from here on out. ....winter's finale is written and it's likely that the end of winter 2012-13 will be as uneventful and forgettable as the beginning of winter 2012-13. 

 

On the good side, no more late nights with euro....and for all of you here (especially Stebo)...much less of me here.       (Until that first SPC mod threat pops up of course)

 

Feel free to bump troll the hell out of this if a March '08-esque event unfolds......but don't count on it.

 

 

lol I never,ever give up on tracking winter storms around here until the first or second week of March. After that, a big snow is fun to watch, but ends up being a slushfest. After 3/10-15, bring on the PDS.

[Hoosier]

Oddly enough, I lived in Lafayette for about 7 months (January through July, 1998), and the only time it did snow significantly was in March of that year. About 6 inches as I recall. And Indy only got a dusting.

One thing not to complain about in Lafayette would be thunderstorms. Lafayette has to be one of the best places in the country for thunderstorms. Not only because of the number of severe storms. Also the fact that the storms tend to occur in the evening when there is time to enjoy them. And the fact that when storms start getting scarce and widely scattered during the middle of summer, Lafayette tends to get the "isolated" thunderstorms better than just about anywhere in the state. Also if there is a stray storm in the spring or fall they tend to get it. Lafayette has thunderstorms on 27% of the days in July. I don't think anyplace nearby does better. Places in southeastern states such as Florida of course have twice that frequency of storms in the summer, but those tend to be boring pulse thunderstorms without too much action. If you go west to Missouri, there are more storms, but there the storms tend to occur in the middle of the night as opposed to providing relief from the heat and a pleasant storm to watch in the evening.

If I were ever going to live in Indiana again and could choose the city, weathewise it would be Lafayette.

You make LAF sound like weather paradise.

[Hoosier]

When the next triple phaser comes and snow is whipped up to blocking doorways and buildings, you will remember the greatness that is LAF climate.

Chances are I'll be gone from here before that happens.

[IWXwx]

You make LAF sound like weather paradise.

Actually, this part of the country is not bad for the person who likes a little of everything. It's great for variety. We have the rare large snowstorm, occasional severe weather outbreaks, sleet, ice, bitter cold and extreme heat. I wouldn't call it ideal for any one type of weather, which is okay with me.

[Hoosier]

Actually, this part of the country is not bad for the person who likes a little of everything. It's great for variety. We have the rare large snowstorm, occasional severe weather outbreaks, sleet, ice, bitter cold and extreme heat. I wouldn't call it ideal for any one type of weather, which is okay with me.

Fair enough

Edit: you forgot 80 degree dewpoints

[csnavywx]

Fair enough

Edit: you forgot 80 degree dewpoints

Ugh, pass.

[Chicago WX]

Fair enough

Edit: you forgot 80 degree dewpoints

The worst part of LAF weather.

[WestWind]

Fair enough

Edit: you forgot 80 degree dewpoints

 

The main reason I moved from Indiana was career and not weather.  However, in ultimately deciding on a career option in Buffalo, seeing significantly more snowfall was a good part of the reason. 

 

I never was happy with the amount of snow in Indianapolis (where I lived for 6 years).  A dusting was by far the most frequent occurrence for snowfall amounts.  On the rare occasions when say two inches or more of snowfall occurred, it was practically always a sloppy mess - meaning it was rain, freezing rain, or sleet for a good portion of the storm.  I used to drive to South Bend from Indianapolis many years in December just to see snow.

 

On the other hand, heat and humidity were never a major complaint of mine in Indiana.  Yes, there were certainly uncomfortably hot periods from time to time.  But unlike in Virginia where I grew up, these lasted a week or two instead of practically the whole summer.  I would have liked summers to be cooler, but the heat did not really bother me enough to be a major consideration (unlike the lack of snowfall).

 

I lived in Fishers, a far northeast suburb of Indianapolis.  While we certainly got severe thunderstorms sometimes, I got the feeling from reports from others that areas south of Indianapolis got a lot more severe weather than we did.  Certainly we got missed frequently when severe storms were occurring in the southern suburbs.  How much actual difference, I don't know.  Lightning strike density maps do show fewer lightning strikes as one goes further north and east in the state, but the effect is not too large, and I don't see any obvious low number of strikes around Fishers.  My guess is it has to do with growing up in southeastern Virginia.  There, the majority of storms (severe or not) tend to form lines, so complete misses are rarer (though they do occur).  So perhaps, no matter where near Indianapolis I had lived, I might have thought my area got missed more than other areas.

 

However, I did not feel like I got missed much the year I lived in Lafayette (1998) The trend might have been exaggerated that year, but it seemed that if storms were scattered that summer I would get one most times at my location.  I had noticed that trend on radar before I lived there, and living there for a spring/summer seemed to confirm it.  Looking at the thunderstorm frequency statistics over the past 30 years today, I see that Lafayette has 27% for July days, vs. 24% for Indianapolis.  That sounds like a small difference, but I think it represents the difference on days when storms are widely scattered.  When a major frontal system passes, most stations are likely to record thunder.  The isolated thunderstorm or two that hits an area during a several-week dry spell in summer may not have a large effect statistically, but psychologically it does.

[on_wx]

The main reason I moved from Indiana was career and not weather.  However, in ultimately deciding on a career option in Buffalo, seeing significantly more snowfall was a good part of the reason. 

 

I never was happy with the amount of snow in Indianapolis (where I lived for 6 years).  A dusting was by far the most frequent occurrence for snowfall amounts.  On the rare occasions when say two inches or more of snowfall occurred, it was practically always a sloppy mess - meaning it was rain, freezing rain, or sleet for a good portion of the storm.  I used to drive to South Bend from Indianapolis many years in December just to see snow.

 

On the other hand, heat and humidity were never a major complaint of mine in Indiana.  Yes, there were certainly uncomfortably hot periods from time to time.  But unlike in Virginia where I grew up, these lasted a week or two instead of practically the whole summer.  I would have liked summers to be cooler, but the heat did not really bother me enough to be a major consideration (unlike the lack of snowfall).

 

I lived in Fishers, a far northeast suburb of Indianapolis.  While we certainly got severe thunderstorms sometimes, I got the feeling from reports from others that areas south of Indianapolis got a lot more severe weather than we did.  Certainly we got missed frequently when severe storms were occurring in the southern suburbs.  How much actual difference, I don't know.  Lightning strike density maps do show fewer lightning strikes as one goes further north and east in the state, but the effect is not too large, and I don't see any obvious low number of strikes around Fishers.  My guess is it has to do with growing up in southeastern Virginia.  There, the majority of storms (severe or not) tend to form lines, so complete misses are rarer (though they do occur).  So perhaps, no matter where near Indianapolis I had lived, I might have thought my area got missed more than other areas.

 

However, I did not feel like I got missed much the year I lived in Lafayette (1998) The trend might have been exaggerated that year, but it seemed that if storms were scattered that summer I would get one most times at my location.  I had noticed that trend on radar before I lived there, and living there for a spring/summer seemed to confirm it.  Looking at the thunderstorm frequency statistics over the past 30 years today, I see that Lafayette has 27% for July days, vs. 24% for Indianapolis.  That sounds like a small difference, but I think it represents the difference on days when storms are widely scattered.  When a major frontal system passes, most stations are likely to record thunder.  The isolated thunderstorm or two that hits an area during a several-week dry spell in summer may not have a large effect statistically, but psychologically it does.

 

This is exactly why I enjoy living where I do. It's hard to imagine winter without the lake effect... and hard to image summer without the lake breeze convergent thunderstorms. If there were not three massive lakes surrounding me...then my snow/tstorm totals would be cut in half maybe more. Not a huge fan of winter...but there is nothing more pleasant than the summer days of constant afternoon thunderstorms from the lakes. Waterloo is not in the most prime lake effect weather area...but it sure beats living in Toronto...which IMO has the same climate as Indiana or Ohio.