PottercountyWXobserver Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I just wanted to get some opinions of those on the thought of a green police force. I personally agree with the concept and I'm a huge advocate for this more extreme green movement. Giving out greater fines for littering, more regulations on pollution and emissions, CO2 tax, mandatory recycling, green education programs, smart grid energy consumption monitoring, waste/garbage overrage fees and fines, and efficiency awards and incentives. I know it seems controling, but I believe being green is one issue that is in need of strick governement control. There is no reason in todays age that we need to accept waste dumps and landfills, it is irresponsibile, the same goes with the majority of pollution emissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherRusty Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 One thing is for sure. The free market will not bring about the change we seek. Whatever the many motivating factors there may be, free market capitalism responds most strongly to the bottom line. Every other consideration plays second fiddle. Some other entity other than business conserns must stand up for the environment. The environment is of all our concern, as opposed to the limited scope of business owners or their stock holders. Someone like the goverment who represents all of us is our voice. Something like the EPA is our vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestWind Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 When I saw the title I thought this was going to be about making police cars more fuel-efficient. Which may be difficult to do given that police cars need good acceleration to catch the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherRusty Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 When I saw the title I thought this was going to be about making police cars more fuel-efficient. Which may be difficult to do given that police cars need good acceleration to catch the bad guys. Actually electric cars accelerate very rapidly. There is no gear shifting involved. Full tourque is reached almost emmediately and speed is simply a function of voltage applied to the motor. The fastest ones can do 0-60mph in under 3.5 seconds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Actually electric cars accelerate very rapidly. There is no gear shifting involved. Full tourque is reached almost emmediately and speed is simply a function of voltage applied to the motor. The fastest ones can do 0-60mph in under 3.5 seconds! There are electric motorcycles out that are very affordable and fast... Good range too. We have a place that sells them locally, I might snag one in a few years. http://www.brammo.com/green/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 My town got a fairly new electric police car a couple years ago and it actually accelerates pretty well. Looks pretty streamlined too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 It's the one to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golly Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 How about instead of jackboot / brown shirt, authoritarian compliance directives - We just encourage people through the media to realize that the Earth is our one and only home, a sacred place deserving respect and care.. The core of the green movement today is red...meaning control freaks, interested only in ninnying people into submission.. It's bad enough lookng out for cops around every curve when driving.. Just imagine how it would be when these green guys are patrolling your streets inspecting your garbage, taking names - np thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabize Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 The Green Police seem pretty unlikely to me, especially in the USA. Right now we have corporate parasites who fracc their way into your water supply without telling you. Those guys don't give a damn about either public health or civil liberties (unless it's for corporations). Funny how people accepted abominations like Gitmo, drone diplomacy and the TSA but fear "green police", even though the threats posed by AGW are a good deal more dire (and more likely) than those posed by 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The Green Police seem pretty unlikely to me, especially in the USA. Right now we have corporate parasites who fracc their way into your water supply without telling you. Those guys don't give a damn about either public health or civil liberties (unless it's for corporations). Funny how people accepted abominations like Gitmo, drone diplomacy and the TSA but fear "green police", even though the threats posed by AGW are a good deal more dire (and more likely) than those posed by 9/11. Funny... Fracking resulted in one of the first co2 emission reductions in our countries history.... Can't win with numb skulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Funny... Fracking resulted in one of the first co2 emission reductions in our countries history.... Says who? Julie M. Carey, writing for forbes.com? Is this the article that got it all started? Surprise Side Effect Of Shale Gas Boom: A Plunge In U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/12/07/surprise-side-effect-of-shale-gas-boom-a-plunge-in-u-s-greenhouse-gas-emissions/ Julie M. Carey is a director at Navigant, specializing in "unconventional" energy litigation and regulation. (She's an industry handpuppet.) Her other "articles" include: NG Market Notes - Shale Gas and Oil: Economy-Wide Game Changers Economics of Shale Gas and Oil How Unconventional Oil and Gas Is Supercharging the US Economy Navigant Qualifications for Unconventional Oil and Gas Yeah baby, rah-rah-rah! You seriously should be banned. You have brought nothing but fraud and evil since you first appeared at AmWx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Says who? Julie M. Carey, writing for forbes.com? Is this the article that got it all started? Surprise Side Effect Of Shale Gas Boom: A Plunge In U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/12/07/surprise-side-effect-of-shale-gas-boom-a-plunge-in-u-s-greenhouse-gas-emissions/ Julie M. Carey is a director at Navigant, specializing in "unconventional" energy litigation and regulation. (She's an industry handpuppet.) Her other "articles" include: NG Market Notes - Shale Gas and Oil: Economy-Wide Game Changers Economics of Shale Gas and Oil How Unconventional Oil and Gas Is Supercharging the US Economy Navigant Qualifications for Unconventional Oil and Gas Yeah baby, rah-rah-rah! You seriously should be banned. You have brought nothing but fraud and evil since you first appeared at AmWx. The us has reduced CO2 outputs by approx 8%... There are literally hundreds of references to this over the past year. http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/17/a-20-year-low-in-u-s-carbon-emissions/ http://grist.org/climate-policy/u-s-leads-the-world-in-cutting-co2-emissions-so-why-arent-we-talking-about-it/ You should be banned, gas-bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 BTW Bozart, do you even visit the weather side of the board? You seem to be a one trick pony on the political side... Again... Gas bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golly Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 That graph would seem to be more representative of a shrinking economy.. I guess if we just maintain the economic implosion rate, we won't need air conditioners in tent city.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 That graph would seem to be more representative of a shrinking economy.. I guess if we just maintain the economic implosion rate, we won't need air conditioners in tent city.. Read a few of my links.... They explain that the economy has a factor, but the lions share of the downtrend has more to do with natural gas releasing substantially less CO2 compared to coal for equal BTU's. God knows why Bozart went off the rails. He has yet to own up to his failed attempt at discussing this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Read a few of my links.... They explain that the economy has a factor, but the lions share of the downtrend has more to do with natural gas releasing substantially less CO2 compared to coal for equal BTU's. God knows why Bozart went off the rails. He has yet to own up to his failed attempt at discussing this topic. I'm not all that taken with fracking. It's powered a speculative bubble in the gas fields which is bound to pop with nasty consequences. Even if that weren't true, it's going to play out in a few years, but leave ground waters tainted forever. Saying this leaves me vulnerable to the question, what is my solution? I don't have a solution. I don't think there is one. The future is about decline. It doesn't make me happy. I will suffer right along with the masses. And since when do righties care about CO2 emissions anyway? Since you figured a way to paint your groundwater-poisoning as a path to lower emissions? Funny how that worked out. Oh look everyone, at all the Johnny-come-lately winger environmentalists, working to slow climate change! They've seen the light! Riiiiight... BTW, I was just over on the wx side. Winter weather headed my way, potentially. If there's a miracle. But then, you know, I don't believe in miracles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherRusty Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm not all that taken with fracking. It's powered a speculative bubble in the gas fields which is bound to pop with nasty consequences. Even if that weren't true, it's going to play out in a few years, but leave ground waters tainted forever. Saying this leaves me vulnerable to the question, what is my solution? I don't have a solution. I don't think there is one. The future is about decline. It doesn't make me happy. I will suffer right along with the masses. And since when do righties care about CO2 emissions anyway? Since you figured a way to paint your groundwater-poisoning as a path to lower emissions? Funny how that worked out. Oh look everyone, at all the Johnny-come-lately winger environmentalists, working to slow climate change! They've seen the light! Riiiiight... BTW, I was just over on the wx side. Winter weather headed my way, potentially. If there's a miracle. But then, you know, I don't believe in miracles. If there were a perfect solution we probable would have found a way to create a perpetual motion machine, but alas the laws of nature do not allow something for nothing. For every benefit there is a cost to be paid. When burning fossil fuel the cost is pollution, including carbon pollution. Fracking carries the risk of ground water pollution. Nuclear fission the release of radioactive materials to the environment and heat pollution into our waterways. Even clean renewables like wind, solar, hydro and geothermal carry negative environmental impacts, but those impacts are significantly less than those resulting from the utilization of high energy density energy sources. I await the day (beyond my lifetime) when nuclear fussion is commercially productive, driven by the essentially endless supply of heavy hydrogen available in sea water, and the human population stops growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherRusty Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Funny... Fracking resulted in one of the first co2 emission reductions in our countries history.... Can't win with numb skulls. Trading one serious threat for another is no bargain either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That graph would seem to be more representative of a shrinking economy.. I guess if we just maintain the economic implosion rate, we won't need air conditioners in tent city.. The drop from 2008 to 2009 is likely due to that, but for 2011 to 2012, I think the economy has been running in place, so the drop would mainly be for other reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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