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Moving past first week of January General Discussion/banter


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What is the record for ORH for Sunday? Is that the day with the weird low record high (like 51 or so?)

 

Can we agree to call this a January thaw finally...lol

 

33.3F for the high back home... won't see that again for a while

 

No, the vulnerable high temp day was Jan 10th...that is going to be this Thursday which will not be that warm...the brief reprise is on Thursday. We may stay in the 30s that day...or barely touch 40.

 

 

Sunday's record high at ORH is 62F. That would be tough to beat. That was from an epic warm spell in January 1932....4 consecutive record highs are from that year between Jan 13-16...all of them over 60F including tied for the all time January high temp of 67F.

 

 

If we can get into the warmth Saturday, then that date is a vulnerable record high of 55F in 1980. Euro says we won't do it...but it wouldn't take much more of a surge to get south of the warm front.

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Well, I will look more into things later today and get back to you but I think we do orbit around phase 8-1-2 after the looping is over. Even if it is less amplified, I do think a legitimate pulse goes through there and affects the pattern. The orbiting phase 6-7 convection and Mid Latitude pattern will ultimately force the convection east and then that will begin to feedback on the pattern as it relaxes from its amplified state.

A classic +PNA / -NAO pattern would then be able to setup, esp. if the vortex breaks down entirely.

Ah I see...Wasnt paying attention and I thought you were implying that even an orbit into 7-8-1 wouldnt matter for us, but I see now that you generally meant the 1-2 week period when its in phases 6-7...

 

I was encouraged today to see the models taking it into 7 and killing it, versus late last week when it was 5-6 and killing it. 

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average temps perhaps, the 128-495 corridor had well above normal temps and a below ave december WRT snowfall IMO in most of mass. .  not much below but a general 5-8 inch december snowfall and 4 cutters... throw in a punt for the 1'st half of january and there leaves a lot to be desired outside of ORH SW to NW RI and CT where they are doing sign. better.

 

yeah...that was all I was saying...the geography of NE allow for an extremely wide range of snowfall amounts.  So...to be clear...this is the second really tought year for lack of snow and cold for the coastal plain...It is clear to see that the higher elevations of MA, RI and COnn have done just fine...but all that came in a week's time even from them.  75% of december was above normal +5-+7 on temps...then there was one week of winter where the coastal plain got screwed like last year and now we are talking anouther 10-12 days until a chance of a mix scenario makes its way in.  I can see why it would be hard for people in the hills at 1000 ft with a 10 in pack to understand that there has been an amazing lack of snow from Gloucester down to Scituate and out to 128 for almost two years.  

 

I love the idea of a visual for this year...but what would really be amazing to see is a map since Feb 2nd of 2011 where Metro Boston has received less than 15 inches of total accumulation....about 20% of what they should get during that time period.

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I think the interior def has a shot at something next week. The mid-week event on the Euro has a pretty good icing look to it. Late week would look better for more frozen for more people.

 

Details are everything though at this range. There's a lot of cold air to the northwest and some pretty good shallow cold bleeding down into NE on some of these runs.

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That's a nice looking overrunning / wave setup days 8-10 on Euro. Can see the shallow bleed of cold air south with boundary over mid atl

 

you guys up there may get some low level bleed (meaning mid levels still a problem for ENE too), but it seems we all have to wait until beyond 10 days for the SE ridge block to get pushed into oblivion

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Sunday's record high at ORH is 62F. That would be tough to beat. That was from an epic warm spell in January 1932....4 consecutive record highs are from that year between Jan 13-16...all of them over 60F including tied for the all time January high temp of 67F.

 

That 1932 warmth extended into NNE.  Farmington recorded 55, 62, 55, 55 on Jan 13-16.  Only 3 other January days in 120 years have made it above 55, and the 62 is Jan's highest.  In addition, the low of 48 on the 14th is 7F milder than any other Jan minimum, the 55F mean tops by 7.5.  It comes in at +38.5 compared to the (then) climo, easily the greatest positive departure in Farmington's records, and second only to 12/30/17 (-40.5 with -11/-36/-23.5) for departures in either direction.

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That 1932 warmth extended into NNE.  Farmington recorded 55, 62, 55, 55 on Jan 13-16.  Only 3 other January days in 120 years have made it above 55, and the 62 is Jan's highest.  In addition, the low of 48 on the 14th is 7F milder than any other Jan minimum, the 55F mean tops by 7.5.  It comes in at +38.5 compared to the (then) climo, easily the greatest positive departure in Farmington's records, and second only to 12/30/17 (-40.5 with -11/-36/-23.5) for departures in either direction.

 

 

 

How warm did it get there in January 1950? That was the only other year where ORH hit 67F in January. We hit 66F in 2007...close but no cigar.

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BLIZ someone should make a SNE map and draw in the contours WRT winter snowfall this season. Just to see it represented in a graphic i think would lay out the picture of the have's and have not's.  The have nots have a case to make that this has been a shiat winter. i would guess essex county mass over to the merrimack valley and down thru Bos thru E briston and plymouth counties are biting the big one. then i think you see a nice gradient develop over RI and interior central mass back down thru SE cT and to the West of that line you see those who have done well.  basically i'd like to see a graphical of current snowfall so we can all take a looksie

 

Look to the annual snow table thread set up by KevInMa

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/37564-2012-13-new-england-snow-total-table/

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=210765485628029925693.0004d01c44d7a34856663&msa=0&ll=42.395066,-72.235107&spn=3.19251,4.938354

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EURO once again looses the -NAO that it showed a rew runs ago. Looks like a cutter pattern to me as the PV retreats back north in the 8 day plus period.

 

It had a ridiculous -NAO for 2 runs over the weekend that was highly suspect...its a day 8-10 op run lol...and didnt have it in last nights run by day 10 either...The mean trough should be in the central U.S. at day 10, that is nothing new here and you sound much more doomsday for the pattern going forward than you need to (big f*ckin surprise)

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