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Agree the 12z GFS ensemble doesn't show any major warm ups during the period you outlined and with the MJO showing some persistence to make it to Phase 8 I'm gonna be watching.

This is the strongest westerly wind burst / equatorial +AAM anomaly I've seen since last March-April and possibly since 2009-10. It is quite possible this thing reignites some sort of El Nino response from a downwelling KW. The +AAM anomaly is huge and so are the westerlies at 850mb. Yes it is going to find the residual La Nina-like circulation but I agree that it ultimately wins.

 

The slower the better!

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Damn. 18z GFS has some impressive QPF totals and all snow. 0.85 through 18z Tuesday for MIV. Best run I've seen inside truncation in 2 years.

 

0.97 for AC. All snow according to the AccuWx numbers too.

 

thats all dependent on where that clipper goes. If thats to the north of us, we just count the clouds as sne gets clobbered.

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In general, you don't want to be south of a clipper. Not only do you miss out on the precip really but you get the southerly winds and it warms you up.

Oh agree Tom. Was just saying how the northern most model was a miss for most of sne. I wish we could lock in the gfs

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I'm not sure how those composites work with analogs... is that date representing the start of the period? The end? The middle?

Here's the 9 days around 1/10/1994, for example:

Philly: Hi    Lo  Prcp  Snow    SD
6      32    24  0.00   0.0     0
7      33    30  0.19   0.0     0
8      37    18  0.16   0.2     T
9      28    17  0.00   0.0     T
10      29    17  0.00   0.0     T
11      40    21  0.00   0.0     T
12      39    36  0.43     T     0
13      41    36     T   0.0     0
14      39    17  0.05   0.1     0

ABE:    Hi    Lo  Prcp  Snow    SD
6      21    16  0.01   0.1     2
7      23    18  0.39   1.5     2
8      31    11  0.33   0.5     4
9      24    11  0.00   0.0     3
10      24    11  0.00   0.0     3
11      30     8  0.00   0.0     3
12      32    21  0.64   7.4     3
13      36    31     T   0.0     9
14      37    15  0.10   0.7     8

Thanks ray. It was on the SV products page. Wasn't sure of the exact date. But thank for covering all basis.

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I posted this over in the NE subforum and wanted it here too WRT the ECMWF run:

 

Is it time to sound the KU alarms for Jan 25-27?

 

The window here would open if the ECMWF is correct in lifting the entire polar vortex into the North Atlantic. The GFS is more robust in bringing down the blocking (down as in strat-->tropo and AO-->NAO) and holding the vortex in place instead of shifting out. Now the Jan 20-25 period will be a time, stratospherically, when anomalies will be squeezed through the N Atlantic-UK pipeline in an area of high PV. Is it possible the whole damn Arctic Source/tropo PV goes for the ride too?

 

My early thoughts are that it ...gulp...won't move out quite that fast and the blocking will continue to trend stronger toward the 25th. While we can definitely see snow events during this period, I'm not sold yet on the ECMWF KU setup....but eventually the threat will become real.

 

To illustrate HM's point, today's Euro ensemble mean holds the vortex in place vs the OP run which sends it into Atlantic.

 

Op run

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Mean

post-1201-0-46034400-1358293547_thumb.gi

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how often do clippers trend south over time?

 

Personally, I think the Euro is a bit too amped (it's about 4-5 mb stronger than the GFS) and I *think* this trends a bit weaker in time...so it may end up tracking a notch south.

 

I'm not sure what the stats are between weaker/stronger with day 6 clippers though.

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Personally, I think the Euro is a bit too amped (it's about 4-5 mb stronger than the GFS) and I *think* this trends a bit weaker in time...so it may end up tracking a notch south.

I'm not sure what the stats are between weaker/stronger with day 6 clippers though.

What also should be noted with the 18z gfs is at least half that precip is fr an inverted trof like signature which I wouldn't bet any money on if you are relying on that

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